Israeli-Palestinian conflict (63 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

If this is actual video of the strike on the hospital, and not some fake, then all we would need is a large munitions expert to confirm what it is.

https://x.com/jason_paladino/status/1714386621834158137?s=46&t=44zFspkwtn4Oth1i9vk6Xg

It’s also totally possible that they waited for a series of rocket launches to make a strike on the hospital, or whatever defense mechanism shot a missile in the direction of the rockets, inadvertently causing the strike. But yeah, that explosion doesn’t seem likely to be the result of just a malfunctioning Hamas rocket.

I’m sure we shall get more info on it over the next couple days. Israel would need irrefutable evidence proving it wasn’t their strike. If there isn’t solid evidence either way, it’s gonna be laid at their feet, and should be.

 

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[Ronn]

 

[Bjerknes]

I’m sure we shall get more info on it over the next couple days. Israel would need irrefutable evidence proving it wasn’t their strike. If there isn’t solid evidence either way, it’s gonna be laid at their feet, and should be.

Here's another close up of a JDAM strike from several years ago.

https://www.military.com/video/oper...e-up-view-of-2000lb-jdam-strike/3744533948001

Sounds very similar. Doesn't sound like a malfunctioning rocket. But I'm definitely no expert.

It's just all too strange, starting with the attack over a week ago.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

The fallout from this in the west better be enormous.

There are certain events that you see unfold and get the feeling that it changes things, I hope this is it for the better.

 

[campionesidd]

I’m sure we shall get more info on it over the next couple days. Israel would need irrefutable evidence proving it wasn’t their strike. If there isn’t solid evidence either way, it’s gonna be laid at their feet, and should be.

Just as Hamas should be punished for war crimes and terrorism, so should Netanyahu.

 

[Hist]

The fallout from this in the west better be enormous.

There are certain events that you see unfold and get the feeling that it changes things, I hope this is it for the better.

I am extremely pessimistic. I think it deals a serious blow to trust in democratic institutions, international law, the mainstream media and the US-led world order more broadly. The kind of damage the Iraq war did but this time compounded, and after the damage to trust during covid/lockdowns/vaccine mandates.

I also expect a massive increase in anti-semitism and anti-arab racism. This conflict will provide plenty of examples that to the crazies will "validate" the worst tropes. Wouldnt be surprised if we see an uptick in hate crimes and terrorism intermixed with mistrust in institutions.

If the US doesnt show true leadership and doesnt reign back or hold Israel accountable at all (and they probably won't)... this will severely undermine the legitimacy of the entire system for so many people within the West itself.

Another question is what does this do to the election if Biden is seen as complicit or as weak/unable to reign in a wild Isreal by a large part of his own base? Does this help or harm Trump? I am curious what Trump's criticism of Biden about his handling of this will look like. You can ask that question about many leaders with upcoming elections

 

[ALC]

I am extremely pessimistic. I think it deals a serious blow to trust in democratic institutions, international law, the mainstream media and the US-led world order more broadly. The kind of damage the Iraq war did but this time compounded, and after the damage to trust during covid/lockdowns/vaccine mandates.

I also expect a massive increase in anti-semitism and anti-arab racism. This conflict will provide plenty of examples that to the crazies will "validate" the worst tropes. Wouldnt be surprised if we see an uptick in hate crimes and terrorism intermixed with mistrust in institutions.

If the US doesnt show true leadership and doesnt reign back or hold Israel accountable at all (and they probably won't)... this will severely undermine the legitimacy of the entire system for so many people within the West itself.

Another question is what does this do to the election if Biden is seen as complicit or as weak/unable to reign in a wild Isreal by a large part of his own base? Does this help or harm Trump? I am curious what Trump's criticism of Biden about his handling of this will look like. You can ask that question about many leaders with upcoming elections

Biden won’t be affected by this. The west just doesn’t care enough about Palestine tbh.

you have people in the US getting canceled for showing support to Palestine, also in Germany for example with that footie player from Mainz.

Netanyahu can keep bombing Gaza and get away with it, people will find ways to excuse it. Main thing that can cause a reaction will be the pushback from the other Middle East countries but I don’t see it happening. Too much money on stake, and for what? A small neighborhood with 2 million people. Just gonna be like china with the Uyghurs. Palestinians will keep getting decimated and the world will forget soon enough.

 

[Tomice]

Ya know that was a fake account that posted that, right?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza/

@ßöмßäяðîëя

I demand an apology

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If this is actual video of the strike on the hospital, and not some fake, then all we would need is a large munitions expert to confirm what it is.

https://x.com/jason_paladino/status/1714386621834158137?s=46&t=44zFspkwtn4Oth1i9vk6Xg

It’s also totally possible that they waited for a series of rocket launches to make a strike on the hospital, or whatever defense mechanism shot a missile in the direction of the rockets, inadvertently causing the strike. But yeah, that explosion doesn’t seem likely to be the result of just a malfunctioning Hamas rocket.

You are off your rails. Maybe it was our fault, but If you think an Israeli with a finger on a trigger, aiming at the hospital, sat there and just waited for a cover to blowup an hospital then something is wrong here.

DDehumanizing works both ways.

 

[kappa96]

To those who said that Hamas failed missile couldn't do such damages to a building , did they take into account that Hamas could be have extra amounition in/on said building to lunch extra attacks against Israel?
Gonna be interesting if this turns out to be true.

I mean they do like to keep their meat shields close.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

How miserable is your life that you have to blame every problem on the world on Jews?

how miserable is your life that you have to turn a blind eye to every atrocity orchestrated by jews?

 

[abstract]

To those who said that Hamas failed missile couldn't do such damages to a building , did they take into account that Hamas could be have extra amounition in/on said building to lunch extra attacks against Israel?
Gonna be interesting if this turns out to be true.

I mean they do like to keep their meat shields close.

Wouldn't there be multiple explosions if that happened ?

 

[Seven]

how miserable is your life that you have to turn a blind eye to every atrocity orchestrated by jews?

Turk, I'm going to ask you an honest question.

You are not capable of having a nuanced view on something as mundane as the manager of a football club. You go completely off the rails when posting about it and you see conspiracies everywhere. You believe the manager of our football club is deliberately destroying his own team and burning all money we have in the process.

Do you really believe you possess the necessary skills to examine the intricacies of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

 

[kappa96]

Wouldn't there be multiple explosions if that happened ?

Aparently the missile fell in the parking lot .
It probably detonated other munitions being there.

There is no way a jdam mk 84 missile would do so little damage.
The number of victims are also probably over inflated.

 

[BayernFan]

I don't disagree, I think its pathetic and weak. My point still stands though.

Palestinian are playing the propaganda game just as well, theirs much better at targeting current generation. It's evident in this thread and it's a lost battle. You should see the pro-palastinian propaganda in russian.

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Case in point

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Try and watch Mahmud abbas's or other Palestinian official's speechs in English vs their speechs in Arabic.

Same game, same shit.

Very true.

There's a high level of propaganda on both sides.

 

[kappa96]

it is

i have no idea how anyone can blindly side with israel at this point. ending hamas is one thing, ethnic cleansing is an other. and israel are like inter in serie a and alen on tuz, they know that they can get away with everything

Stay away from the Hamas propaganda.
It will do wonders to your health.
The same advice goes to the "propaganda gobler " DAiDEViL also.

If that is ethnic cleansing what does launching missiles from innocent civilians buildings called? An "invitation to ethnic cleansing"?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Turk, I'm going to ask you an honest question.

You are not capable of having a nuanced view on something as mundane as the manager of a football club. You go completely off the rails when posting about it and you see conspiracies everywhere. You believe the manager of our football club is deliberately destroying his own team and burning all money we have in the process.

Do you really believe you possess the necessary skills to examine the intricacies of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

i don't possess any skills but you are not even capable of naming the issue, reducing it to Israeli-Palestinian conflict which is a drop in the ocean.

 

[Seven]

I don't disagree, I think its pathetic and weak. My point still stands though.

Palestinian are playing the propaganda game just as well, theirs much better at targeting current generation. It's evident in this thread and it's a lost battle. You should see the

They are and it can be downright infuriating.

My brother works with asylum seekers. As a lawyer in Belgium you are required to take on pro bono cases the first three years of practice. Many of these cases are asylum seekers and so you encounter quite a few Palestinians.

Every single Palestinian asylum seeker was an absolutely horrible human being. They were self centered, entitled and not afraid to lie about just about anything. Everything I ever heard from them was "poor me" or "when is my money going to come?". It is difficult to convey just how horrible they were.

But you have to push personal anecdotes away. And you have to try to look through the propaganda on both sides. At the very least you can see that the situation of Palestinians is very complicated and Israel has done nothing to alleviate that situation. On the contrary Israel has fueled the conflict and has essentially turned Gaza into the world's largest prison.

 

[BayernFan]

They are and it can be downright infuriating.

My brother works with asylum seekers. As a lawyer in Belgium you are required to take on pro bono cases the first three years of practice. Many of these cases are asylum seekers and so you encounter quite a few Palestinians.

Every single Palestinian asylum seeker was an absolutely horrible human being. They were self centered, entitled and not afraid to lie about just about anything. Everything I ever heard from them was "poor me" or "when is my money going to come?". It is difficult to convey just how horrible they were.

But you have to push personal anecdotes away. And you have to try to look through the propaganda on both sides. At the very least you can see that the situation of Palestinians is very complicated and Israel has done nothing to alleviate that situation. On the contrary Israel has fueled the conflict and has essentially turned Gaza into the world's largest prison.

You just described perfectly what my problem with many of them is about. They are some of the worst immigrants here in Denmark in terms of assimiliating and integrating. There's just something about their mentality that rubs me all the wrong places.

And like you said and I as I also mentioned, you should be able to put such things aside when looking at a conflict like this. But it is not that easy, it makes you biased towards one side if you had bad encounters with many from the other side.

Israelies can probably be just as insufferable though, but I never encountered them irl. So can't say anything about them from a personal point of view.

 

[campionesidd]

I don't disagree, I think its pathetic and weak. My point still stands though.

Palestinian are playing the propaganda game just as well, theirs much better at targeting current generation. It's evident in this thread and it's a lost battle. You should see the pro-palastinian propaganda in russian.

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Case in point

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Try and watch Mahmud abbas's or other Palestinian official's speechs in English vs their speechs in Arabic.

Same game, same shit.

I never understood why leftists and communists support fundamentalist Islam. Horseshoe theory is true I guess.

 

[kappa96]

I never understood why leftists and communists support fundamentalist Islam. Horseshoe theory is true I guess.

Good question since they would be the first to be beheaded for their views.