Israeli-Palestinian conflict (135 Viewers)

[Mohad]

 

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[Post Ironic]

That's what I find funny about (indigenous) Bolivians that cry about Spanish colonisation. Before the Spanish fucked the Incas, the Incas fucked the Tiwanaku, and the Tiwanaku fucked other communities/groups. Stahp being a baby over something that happened 200 years ago.

The Spanish managed to conquer the massive Aztec Empire with 1300 Spanish soldiers because all the tribes surrounding and subjugated by the Aztecs hated them. At the siege of Tenochtitlan they had some 200,000 native auxiliaries fighting for them.

 

[U Picciriddu]

The Israelies were not always the occupiers. They got to that point after numerous wars with their Arab neighbours.

Is some of the things they're doing wrong? Of course. But they tried peace with the Arabs many times, it never happened.

There has been the pre-WW2 influx of Jewish people there who in a legal way bought land from the Arabs.

For to many sadly this is a one-way discussion

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

The Israelies were not always the occupiers. They got to that point after numerous wars with their Arab neighbours.

Is some of the things they're doing wrong? Of course. But they tried peace with the Arabs many times, it never happened.

It's not that complicated. It's black and white, it's very simple. It's only "complicated" to the outsiders, the Israelis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba...ic: النكبة,,majority of the Palestinian Arabs.

Read this shit and tell me it's "complicated."

 

[Nzoric]

The Israelies were not always the occupiers. They got to that point after numerous wars with their Arab neighbours.

Is some of the things they're doing wrong? Of course. But they tried peace with the Arabs many times, it never happened.

Wat, Bernadotte tried to implement a two state solution, which required concessions from both sides. He got smoked.

Rabin tried to implement a two state solution, he got smoked.

Basically the two times Israel were close to giving any real concessions (first step towards peace) whoever was in charge got assassinated.


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[Post Ironic]

Hamas al-qassam spokesman:

Abu Obeida said the captives are being treated well and in accordance with “the Islamic faith”.

Yeah. That unconscious German girl militants were sitting on and parading around in the back of the truck, stripped to her underwear, legs broken, being spit on…

I guess being treated well and in accordance with “the Islamic faith” is a very different thing than most people consider being treated well lol

 

[Nzoric]

It's not that complicated. It's black and white, it's very simple. It's only "complicated" to the outsiders, the Israelis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba...ic: النكبة,,majority of the Palestinian Arabs.

Read this shit and tell me it's "complicated."

They even killed anyone who could stand in the way of killing arabs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair


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[BayernFan]

It's not that complicated. It's black and white, it's very simple. It's only "complicated" to the outsiders, the Israelis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#:~:text=The Nakba (Arabic: النكبة,,majority of the Palestinian Arabs.

Read this shit and tell me it's "complicated."

What this video and tell me it ain't complicated.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I don't recognize Israel as a state, so that perspective doesn't exist.

 

[Post Ironic]

Wat, Bernadotte tried to implement a two state solution, which required concessions from both sides. He got smoked.

Rabin tried to implement a two state solution, he got smoked.

Basically the two times Israel were close to giving any real concessions (first step towards peace) whoever was in charge got assassinated.


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They got smoked, but not before Palestine already rejected the two state solution. Arafat and Abbas both rejected offers that would dismantle and remove most Jewish settlements, give them the vast majority of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip and create a connection between the two.

There are no good guys in this conflict.

 

[BayernFan]

I don't recognize Israel as a state, so that perspective doesn't exist.

Thanks for confirming what I thought the whole time, you're not listening to reason.

 

[Post Ironic]

It's not that complicated. It's black and white, it's very simple. It's only "complicated" to the outsiders, the Israelis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#:~:text=The Nakba (Arabic: النكبة,,majority of the Palestinian Arabs.

Read this shit and tell me it's "complicated."

Dude, you mean when the UN created the two state solution, Jewish leaders accepted it, Arab leaders rejected it so a civil war started, lost the civil war, then when the State of Israel was declared, went to war against it, lost that war and with it most of their territory…

 

[BayernFan]

Dude, you mean when the UN created the two state solution, Jewish leaders accepted it, Arab leaders rejected it so a civil war started, lost the civil war, then when the State of Israel was declared, went to war against it, lost that war and with it most of their territory…

He's just speaking out of his ass and doesn't even know the history that leads up to the war or is simply ignoring it because it doesn't fit his agenda.

I highly condemn Israeli war crimes, but Burke is speaking out of his ass as usual.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

There has been the pre-WW2 influx of Jewish people there who in a legal way bought land from the Arabs.

For to many sadly this is a one-way discussion

This doesn't really have anything to do with current illegal settlements and the political situation though.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Dude, you mean when the UN created the two state solution, Jewish leaders accepted it, Arab leaders rejected it so a civil war started, lost the civil war, then when the State of Israel was declared, went to war against it, lost that war and with it most of their territory…

Why should they accept it, if euros fels so bad about the plight of jews why not give em a piece of Switzerland

 

[Nzoric]

They got smoked, but not before Palestine already rejected the two state solution. Arafat and Abbas both rejected offers that would dismantle and remove most Jewish settlements, give them the vast majority of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip and create a connection between the two.

There are no good guys in this conflict.

PLO officially recognized Israels right to exist in the run-up to the Oslo peace accords.

Saying there are no good guys is kind of moot in this context. Its not about good guys, its about fulfilling UN resolution 242 and exiting the circle of violence. Hamas didnt just magically pop up, they filled a political vacuum because the UN (US has been systematically undervisning any real efforts on behalf of Israel). You cant deradicalize by pressing your foot harder on their throat. So either Israel is forced to give concessions or they will exterminate the Palestinians.


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[U Picciriddu]

This doesn't really have anything to do with current illegal settlements and the political situation though.

It does if the narrative is that they don’t have any righteous claim on the entire territory, as Bombardiers post insinuates for example.

 

[Post Ironic]

Why should they accept it, if euros fels so bad about the plight of jews why not give em a piece of Switzerland

They had every right to refuse, of course. But then they lost the civil war, then the 1948 war, then aligned themselves with the USSR and lost the 67 and 73 wars.

They lost. Simple. Does it make the Israelis the good guys? Absolutely not. But all this is just the nature of human history. Migration, war, conquest, winners, losers.

 

[BayernFan]

Why should they accept it, if euros fels so bad about the plight of jews why not give em a piece of Switzerland

That's like saying "Why shouldn't Arabs give Palestinians part of an Arab country, since they're so concerned about them".

 

[Nzoric]

Dude, you mean when the UN created the two state solution, Jewish leaders accepted it, Arab leaders rejected it so a civil war started, lost the civil war, then when the State of Israel was declared, went to war against it, lost that war and with it most of their territory…

Please share the details of that proposed two state solution. They basically gave the coastline and agricultural land to Israel and left Palestinians in the fckin desert. While placing all major religious grounds under third party governance iirc.


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