There is a difference between occupying a territory and oppressing a population with (comparatively) small civilian casualties and ethnically cleansing 1,5m+ million people. So no, not roflmao.
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Israeli-Palestinian conflict (21 Viewers)
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This might sound harsh, but if you're a muslim in today's world, you're basically a nobody. You have no power, no strong states backing you.. The only thing you've got somewhat going on for you is oil, but that's about it. On the other hand you've got Israel who are seemingly incredible at becoming allies with everyone who does matter. That must be so frustrating that I understand where all the anger is coming from, especially when you consider all the bullshit Israel has pulled over the last few years.
Man, it's almost impossible to see an end to this.
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There is. Speed.
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God, us Australians are such asslickers to our colonial masters and the US 
Israel has carpet bombed city's as a retalliation against an hamas rocket that made 0 casualties
They get away with ANYTHING
I can totally see them do that option 1 to show the world that Israel takes no instructions from anyone
Israel has been ethically cleansing palestina under the disguise of 'targetting hamas' for 2+ decades
And they dont remotely care about what Palestina wants.
Cleansing is whats going on in Syria, what happened in the past with the Nazis.. There is zero comparison between the two
Saying things are not right, saying a country is doing wrong to another is one thing but saying they are cleansing them is another thing!
If there is cleansing there was also a war between Israel and half of the Arab nations - So above moral things even the logic say it will never happen!
I`m not writing this in order to make you think Israel is good Palestine is bad or any kind of thing - Im just stating that you can voice your opinion but please keep it rational...
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Do you think that giving some land will make peace? Just interested in your opinion
My opinion is very clear
Israel received a part of an existing country, without its consent, to compensate for the gruesome horror of WWII the jewish people had to endure.
They then decided to do whatever the fuck they want. Move borders several times, disobey laws and treaties and invade the gaza and build settlements.
Make absolutely retarded retalliations each time they shot something from Hamas out of the sky
Result : absolute horror and abuse of palestinian people. And they brush off anyone that wants to say a word, because you are anti-semetical if you dare oppose Israel, since all western nations are strick Nazi regimes.
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true, mixed em up
Israel received a part of an existing country, without its consent, to compensate for the gruesome horror of WWII the jewish people had to endure.
They then decided to do whatever the fuck they want. Move borders several times, disobey laws and treaties and invade the gaza and build settlements.
Make absolutely retarded retalliations each time they shot something from Hamas out of the sky
Result : absolute horror and abuse of palestinian people. And they brush off anyone that wants to say a word, because you are anti-semetical if you dare oppose Israel, since all western nations are strick Nazi regimes.
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true, mixed em up
Actually I'd say you didn't.
Wiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.
Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.
It would be far easier to claim Israel are ethnic cleansing part of their and other territories than to say they are committing genocide. Also, let's not use the word genocide too freely. If you do, Israel will be able to defend themselves by saying it's ridiculous to accuse them of genocide (which is true) and they'll be able to get off the hook.
Wiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.
Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.
It would be far easier to claim Israel are ethnic cleansing part of their and other territories than to say they are committing genocide. Also, let's not use the word genocide too freely. If you do, Israel will be able to defend themselves by saying it's ridiculous to accuse them of genocide (which is true) and they'll be able to get off the hook.
Actualy it's not. It's one Zach's better ones. Obviously Zach isn't very diplomatic in his phrasing, but he never is.
But it's typical when you talk to one of the parts in this conflict. Both sides are beyond deluded. Have you ever genuinely tried to understand the other part of the conflict?
Thankfully it's a minor conflict in the globalised world we live in and a conflict that has lost a lot of it's significance (hello the 70s). Who actually gives a fuck nowadays??
Most of us are just waiting for Israel to fuck up in a manner that the US can't ignore. Sadly we are several decades away from that.
[And before you call me an anti-semite. I have jewish heritage altho all my foreskin is intact
]
But it's typical when you talk to one of the parts in this conflict. Both sides are beyond deluded. Have you ever genuinely tried to understand the other part of the conflict?
Thankfully it's a minor conflict in the globalised world we live in and a conflict that has lost a lot of it's significance (hello the 70s). Who actually gives a fuck nowadays??
Most of us are just waiting for Israel to fuck up in a manner that the US can't ignore. Sadly we are several decades away from that.
[And before you call me an anti-semite. I have jewish heritage altho all my foreskin is intact
]
Actualy it's not. It's one Zach's better ones. Obviously Zach isn't very diplomatic in his phrasing, but he never is.
But it's typical when you talk to one of the parts in this conflict. Both sides are beyond deluded. Have you ever genuinely tried to understand the other part of the conflict?
Thankfully it's a minor conflict in the globalised world we live in and a conflict that has lost a lot of it's significance (hello the 70s). Who actually gives a fuck nowadays??
Most of us are just waiting for Israel to fuck up in a manner that the US can't ignore. Sadly we are several decades away from that.
[And before you call me an anti-semite. I have jewish heritage altho all my foreskin is intact]
But it's typical when you talk to one of the parts in this conflict. Both sides are beyond deluded. Have you ever genuinely tried to understand the other part of the conflict?
Thankfully it's a minor conflict in the globalised world we live in and a conflict that has lost a lot of it's significance (hello the 70s). Who actually gives a fuck nowadays??
Most of us are just waiting for Israel to fuck up in a manner that the US can't ignore. Sadly we are several decades away from that.
[And before you call me an anti-semite. I have jewish heritage altho all my foreskin is intact
]
I don't care for semantics, specially on such matters. The post he made is factually false (for someone claiming to know history
) , it has nothing to do with me being deluded or my personal views on the subject. (which you just assume are deluded, a problem in itself thinking all of Israel or Palastin are one collective of people and not individuals).Anyway regarding the post. First there was no existing country in the region, only local Arab tribes who didn't identified themselves as Palestinians at the time. Second Israel doesn't change borders on a whim, it never has and it's a ridicules claim. The only time Israel deliberately changed a border was as a part of some concession being made (Sinai peninsula for the peace with Egypt, Gaza for the peace processes with the Palestinians and some of the west bank for the peace with Jordan). All initial changes of borders anyway were caused by Arab aggression and as a result of Israel winning defensive wars ( and 90% of those territories were returned as I mentioned except for the Golan heights).
The part that actually made me angry is not even in the post I quoted, the claim that Israel Carpet bombs cities is just utterly ridicules and shows how far and blind some people can get when they pick a side
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Btw I dont disagree with the result part of his post, thats the only true fact in there, its just the simplistic view on how we got there that is bothering me
You are way off mate.
I don't care for semantics, specially on such matters. The post he made is factually false (for someone claiming to know history) , it has nothing to do with me being deluded or my personal views on the subject. (which you just assume are deluded, a problem in itself thinking all of Israel or Palastin are one collective of people and not individuals).
Anyway regarding the post. First there was no existing country in the region, only local Arab tribes who didn't identified themselves as Palestinians at the time. Second Israel doesn't change borders on a whim, it never has and it's a ridicules claim. The only time Israel deliberately changed a border was as a part of some concession being made (Sinai peninsula for the peace with Egypt, Gaza for the peace processes with the Palestinians and some of the west bank for the peace with Jordan). All initial changes of borders anyway were caused by Arab aggression and as a result of Israel winning defensive wars ( and 90% of those territories were returned as I mentioned except for the Golan heights).
The part that actually made me angry is not even in the post I quoted, the claim that Israel Carpet bombs cities is just utterly ridicules and shows how far and blind some people can get when they pick a side
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Btw I dont disagree with the result part of his post, thats the only true fact in there, its just the simplistic view on how we got there that is bothering me
I don't care for semantics, specially on such matters. The post he made is factually false (for someone claiming to know history
) , it has nothing to do with me being deluded or my personal views on the subject. (which you just assume are deluded, a problem in itself thinking all of Israel or Palastin are one collective of people and not individuals).Anyway regarding the post. First there was no existing country in the region, only local Arab tribes who didn't identified themselves as Palestinians at the time. Second Israel doesn't change borders on a whim, it never has and it's a ridicules claim. The only time Israel deliberately changed a border was as a part of some concession being made (Sinai peninsula for the peace with Egypt, Gaza for the peace processes with the Palestinians and some of the west bank for the peace with Jordan). All initial changes of borders anyway were caused by Arab aggression and as a result of Israel winning defensive wars ( and 90% of those territories were returned as I mentioned except for the Golan heights).
The part that actually made me angry is not even in the post I quoted, the claim that Israel Carpet bombs cities is just utterly ridicules and shows how far and blind some people can get when they pick a side
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Btw I dont disagree with the result part of his post, thats the only true fact in there, its just the simplistic view on how we got there that is bothering me
You are way off mate.
I don't care for semantics, specially on such matters. The post he made is factually false (for someone claiming to know history) , it has nothing to do with me being deluded or my personal views on the subject. (which you just assume are deluded, a problem in itself thinking all of Israel or Palastin are one collective of people and not individuals).
Anyway regarding the post. First there was no existing country in the region, only local Arab tribes who didn't identified themselves as Palestinians at the time. Second Israel doesn't change borders on a whim, it never has and it's a ridicules claim. The only time Israel deliberately changed a border was as a part of some concession being made (Sinai peninsula for the peace with Egypt, Gaza for the peace processes with the Palestinians and some of the west bank for the peace with Jordan). All initial changes of borders anyway were caused by Arab aggression and as a result of Israel winning defensive wars ( and 90% of those territories were returned as I mentioned except for the Golan heights).
The part that actually made me angry is not even in the post I quoted, the claim that Israel Carpet bombs cities is just utterly ridicules and shows how far and blind some people can get when they pick a side
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Btw I dont disagree with the result part of his post, thats the only true fact in there, its just the simplistic view on how we got there that is bothering me
I don't care for semantics, specially on such matters. The post he made is factually false (for someone claiming to know history
) , it has nothing to do with me being deluded or my personal views on the subject. (which you just assume are deluded, a problem in itself thinking all of Israel or Palastin are one collective of people and not individuals).Anyway regarding the post. First there was no existing country in the region, only local Arab tribes who didn't identified themselves as Palestinians at the time. Second Israel doesn't change borders on a whim, it never has and it's a ridicules claim. The only time Israel deliberately changed a border was as a part of some concession being made (Sinai peninsula for the peace with Egypt, Gaza for the peace processes with the Palestinians and some of the west bank for the peace with Jordan). All initial changes of borders anyway were caused by Arab aggression and as a result of Israel winning defensive wars ( and 90% of those territories were returned as I mentioned except for the Golan heights).
The part that actually made me angry is not even in the post I quoted, the claim that Israel Carpet bombs cities is just utterly ridicules and shows how far and blind some people can get when they pick a side
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Btw I dont disagree with the result part of his post, thats the only true fact in there, its just the simplistic view on how we got there that is bothering me
I still fail to see how everything I mentioned isn't an historical fact and what point you are trying to make.
There is no place for opinions whether a country exists or not, it either is or isn't and a Palestinian one didn't. The area was ruled by the Ottomans, Jordan and the Brits until 48.
It has no bearing on their deserved right for self determination but it's still a fact
There is no place for opinions whether a country exists or not, it either is or isn't and a Palestinian one didn't. The area was ruled by the Ottomans, Jordan and the Brits until 48.
It has no bearing on their deserved right for self determination but it's still a fact