Israeli-Palestinian conflict (43 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

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IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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I don't agree with that, the arrogance of Israel doesn't need over-elaborate excuses.


As for the bashing of Western Media outlets, well people in glass houses re: the Arab World.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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I don't agree with that, the arrogance of Israel doesn't need over-elaborate excuses.


As for the bashing of Western Media outlets, well people in glass houses re: the Arab World.
Really, one look at the BBC coverage the days after 31st of May 2010 says it all. I forgot his name, but the Israeli spokesperson - who was completely fluent in British - had a complete hour of prime time television dedicated to him whereas there was no Palestinian counterpart anywhere in the reporting. The last time I've turned on a western media tv program.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
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elections in gaza, this would be regarded and advertised as a hamas victory, so the people would elect hamas once again, and once again israel will have a reason not to sit down for peace talks(hamas being labeled a terrorist organization), all the meanwhile building more settlements, very shrewd move by the israelis
Thought the same but in the end, if the people really don't recognize Abbas as their representative and if they really think it's Hamas that is going to bring them a better life, who are we to decide what's better for them?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Thought the same but in the end, if the people really don't recognize Abbas as their representative and if they really think it's Hamas that is going to bring them a better life, who are we to decide what's better for them?

i am not :D i was just trying to understand it from an israeli perspective, all of a sudden they do this, there must be some reason
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
Really, one look at the BBC coverage the days after 31st of May 2010 says it all. I forgot his name, but the Israeli spokesperson - who was completely fluent in British - had a complete hour of prime time television dedicated to him whereas there was no Palestinian counterpart anywhere in the reporting. The last time I've turned on a western media tv program.
By fluent in British do you mean he was fluent in being a cunt?
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    elections in gaza, this would be regarded and advertised as a hamas victory, so the people would elect hamas once again, and once again israel will have a reason not to sit down for peace talks(hamas being labeled a terrorist organization), all the meanwhile building more settlements, very shrewd move by the israelis
    What elections?

    So? The number is almost equal.
    How?
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    Thought the same but in the end, if the people really don't recognize Abbas as their representative and if they really think it's Hamas that is going to bring them a better life, who are we to decide what's better for them?
    You cannot negotiate with a party that is stronger than you, and has no intention of negotiating. Hamas has now got over a thousand prisoners freed, what has Fatah done that is as good as that. There is no use in negotiating when you have no leverage that gives you bargaining power.
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    I did not hear about it ever.
    "

    Text Of The Agreement Between Fatah And Hamas

    3 May 2011

    Translated by Al Mubadara, the Palestinian National Initiative, this document is currently in the process of being signed by all of Palestine’s factions and parties.

    Under the auspices of Egypt, delegations from the Fatah and Hamas movements met in Cairo on April 27, 2011 to discuss the issues concerning ending the political division and the achievement of national unity. On top of the issues were some reservations related to the Palestinian National Unity Accord made in 2009.

    Both political parties mutually agreed that the basis of understanding made during the meeting are committing to both parties in the implementation of the Palestinian National Reconciliation Agreement. The basis of understanding agreed upon by Fatah and Hamas are as follows:
    1. Elections
    A. Election Committee:

    Both Fatah and Hamas agree to identify the names of the members of the Central Election Commission in agreement with the Palestinian factions. This list will then be submitted to the Palestinian President who will issue a decree of the reformation of the committee.
    B. Electoral Court:

    Both Fatah and Hamas agree on the nomination of no more than twelve judges to be members of the Electoral Court. This list will then be submitted to the Palestinian President in order to take the necessary legal actions to form the Electoral Court in agreement with the Palestinian factions.
    C. Timing of Elections:

    The Legislative, Presidential, and the Palestinian National Council elections will be conducted at the same time exactly one year after the signing of the Palestinian National Reconciliation Agreement."
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    "

    Text Of The Agreement Between Fatah And Hamas

    3 May 2011

    Translated by Al Mubadara, the Palestinian National Initiative, this document is currently in the process of being signed by all of Palestine’s factions and parties.

    Under the auspices of Egypt, delegations from the Fatah and Hamas movements met in Cairo on April 27, 2011 to discuss the issues concerning ending the political division and the achievement of national unity. On top of the issues were some reservations related to the Palestinian National Unity Accord made in 2009.

    Both political parties mutually agreed that the basis of understanding made during the meeting are committing to both parties in the implementation of the Palestinian National Reconciliation Agreement. The basis of understanding agreed upon by Fatah and Hamas are as follows:
    1. Elections
    A. Election Committee:

    Both Fatah and Hamas agree to identify the names of the members of the Central Election Commission in agreement with the Palestinian factions. This list will then be submitted to the Palestinian President who will issue a decree of the reformation of the committee.
    B. Electoral Court:

    Both Fatah and Hamas agree on the nomination of no more than twelve judges to be members of the Electoral Court. This list will then be submitted to the Palestinian President in order to take the necessary legal actions to form the Electoral Court in agreement with the Palestinian factions.
    C. Timing of Elections:

    The Legislative, Presidential, and the Palestinian National Council elections will be conducted at the same time exactly one year after the signing of the Palestinian National Reconciliation Agreement."
    This is not final yet. And even if that is the case, it is illogical to assume that Hamas will have a deal now to release the prisoners in order to make use of that next May. Why doesn't it do the deal next April?
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    This is not final yet. And even if that is the case, it is illogical to assume that Hamas will have a deal now to release the prisoners in order to make use of that next May. Why doesn't it do the deal next April?
    Deal was signed, whether it's implemented or not only time will tell. As for the release of prisoners, its not and was never up to hamas, whats pretty illogical is thinking that hamas just like any other party on earth doesnt act to score political points. Up until this point no one in gaza was gonna vote for them.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    yes because any sane human would take living in gaza over the west bank, and since you know gaza so well, why has hamas been rejecting calls for elections?
    If you compare between the two regions, you should see the low level of normal person's security in the West Bank. Hamas did not reject the calls for elections. The case was that the so-called president has finished his ruling period and he had to fuck off in order to make presidential elections to bring on a new president. He did not leave and acted like any Arab ruler exactly like his predecessor Arafat and made a stupid excuse. He said that he won't leave until parliamentary elections are held although there were still two years for the parliament to finish its time. Hamas of course refused that stupid step because there was no reason to make those elections earlier thatn it should with two years.

    We needed free presidential elections but Fatah did not want to make it and linked it with the parliamentary elections because they know they will lose the presidential elections to Hamas easily, and then they will be out of the presidency and the parliamentary majority.
     

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