Israeli-Palestinian conflict (63 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

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  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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icemaη

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Because they state it in their charter. I do think that the vast majority of Israelis want peace and that the government also wants that. However, messianic zealots complicate the situation a whole lot more.

On refugee camps, exiles, etc., that was very harsh and condemnable. Nevertheless, that's war for you. Like I said, if the Israeli government wanted to annihilate the Palestinians, they would have managed it years ago with the resources they have at their disposition.

About the Israeli government wanting the annihilation of Palestinians but playing the wise card, I don't buy that.
And yet they continue building settlements into Palestinian territory and reduce the already dwindling Palestinian lands to not more than a dot on the map.
 

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ReBeL

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    Let me put it this way. During the 1930s, Hassan Al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, was a close associate of the Mufti of Jerusalem. They both collaborated with Adolph Hitler and were his main allies in the region. One could argue that the first two chose to collaborate with Hitler because they feared the Jewish colonization of Palestine. On the other hand, by reading on Hassan Al-Banna, some parallels between his ideology and Nazism can clearly be done, which supports the view that himself and the Mufti of Jerusalem did not only forge an alliance with the Nazis for geopolitical common interests, but also for ideological common interests.

    As for Hamas, just read their charter. They quoted the Protocol of the Elders of Zion and used it in a very similar way to the Nazi's. Furthermore, take a deep look at the nature of their regime and you can see clear parallels. They don't want to negotiate a favorable treaty for all parties concerned, the only thing Hamas wants is the complete destruction of Israel and the annihilation of Jews.
    I am not really taking sides here, I am merely explaining my view that Hamas is directly inspired by the despicable Protocol of the Elders of Zion and Nazism.

    I condemn Israel as much as the Palestinians here. However, it is preposterous to suggest that their goal is the annihilation of the Palestinians. If that was their goal, they would have succeeded a long time ago.
    Because they state it in their charter. I do think that the vast majority of Israelis want peace and that the government also wants that. However, messianic zealots complicate the situation a whole lot more.

    On refugee camps, exiles, etc., that was very harsh and condemnable. Nevertheless, that's war for you. Like I said, if the Israeli government wanted to annihilate the Palestinians, they would have managed it years ago with the resources they have at their disposition.

    About the Israeli government wanting the annihilation of Palestinians but playing the wise card, I don't buy that.
    These are too stupid posts. If you are majoring in European history, just commit yourself to that and don't ever try to analyze what is happening in the Middle East, because you depend on so weird postulates that have nothing to do with reality.
     

    Lo-Pan

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    why not just move 'israel' to a state of the US...and be done with this bullshit. They already run the US government...in the least, dictate ALL of their foreign policy routine..lets solve the problem. take the jews out of the hellbroth, surrounded by, understandably hateful and warring arabs, and put them where they already command????
     

    Enron

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    Why only the US? Why not spread them to all the nations who drew the borders? I think we could take a few thousand each. Many hands make light work.


    Oh, did anyone else read how Condoleza Rice had offered to send the Israeli jews to Patagonia?:lol:
     
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    ReBeL

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    Preparations are taking place to begin the third intefada inside Palestine and the return deonstrations in the neighbour countries next Sunday on the 63rd anniversary of the Nakba.
     

    Lo-Pan

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    Why only the US? Why not spread them to all the nations who drew the borders? I think we could take a few thousand each. Many hands make light work.


    Oh, did anyone else read how Condoleza Rice had offered to send the Israeli jews to Patagonia?:lol:
    the english certainly must accept blame for the original drawing of country lines, and the resettlement of the jews...and their government, which i stil lsee as my government, is undoubtedly still hugely affected, and to a degree directed, by the jews. To the extent of the US government??? I doubt it...

    it was bad enough in my traveling days to find the mark of the English, in many foreign lands, and whilst it can be said..'they helped put in place the basic infrastructure that today is been used as a foundation'...it MUST also be said that the imperialism of my anglo forefathers, not only created huge suffering in the old world, but the seeds they sewed, continue to drive war and carnage in the contemporary world. I prefer to focus on my sicilian blood...although from what I learn, many of them were fascists. A story my father told me a few years back went something like this:

    the family was moderately powerful in siracusa. A strong, numerous and wealthy fishing family. Unfortunately my grandfather was aligned with Benito. And one day, with his finest vessels fishing between sicily and libya, an english group of frigates appeared on the horizon. The hired help, as well as some of my family who worked for the family business, all assumed they would be fine...simply continue to fly the fishing flag. But my grandfather had other ideas. He gave the order for the facist flag to be raised, on ALL vessels, and promptly, 7 of the 8 boats were sunk. everyone perished, but my grandfather's boat and crew.

    That horrorshow of spastic pride, has certainly followed down into my own veins. The two rival factions attempting to thrive in the same body, the same flesh, the same life. On balance...I guess my english blood is more benign, coming from farming folk, not fascists.
     

    Fred

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    With all thats happening in the Arab world we must not forget the Palestinian cause. It's been 63 years since the nakba, 63 years since the unlawful establishment of a Jewish state on Palestinian soil, 63 years since the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their rightful land and homes. May the Palestinians never lose hope and never forget their true home, and may Palestine be free of occupation as soon as possible.
     
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    ReBeL

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    The demonstrations were so exceptional. The demonstrators proved we will not forget ever. Too sad to see people being killed on all the fronts with Zionists though...

    4 were killed on the borders between Syria and Zionists.
    10 were killed on the borders between Lebanon and Zionists.
    1 was killed and 170 were injured on the borders between Gaza and Zionists.
    200 were injured on the crosspoint between Ramallah and Jerusalem

    All the respect for people who still hold the keys to their houses since 63 years.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Thousands are surrounding the Zionist embassy now in Cairo calling for firing the Zionists.40 injuries by the police there, but people insist that they will not leave.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Like I said, if the Israeli government wanted to annihilate the Palestinians, they would have managed it years ago with the resources they have at their disposition.

    About the Israeli government wanting the annihilation of Palestinians but playing the wise card, I don't buy that.
    Israel can't just bomb Gaza into oblivion and round up Palestinians and expect people not to notice. They would need a silent oppression and extermination to be successful. Kill a few women here, kill a few children there, develop settlements on Palestinian land and garner excuses to retaliate. Otherwise, their game is over.

    I'm not saying that this is the case, but the perpetual expansion of Jewish settlements and photographs of dead children with center-mass sniper wounds doesn't really portray Israel in the greatest of light.

    What should the US do? Tell Israhell to take a hike. It's illegal to give nations with nuclear weapons aid as it is. But of course, if we become enemies with the nation, I'm sure we have several nice individuals like Rahm Emanual waiting in the wings to stage some terror like his waste-of-space parents.
     

    Fred

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    The demonstrations were so exceptional. The demonstrators proved we will not forget ever. Too sad to see people being killed on all the fronts with Zionists though...

    10 were killed on the borders between Syria and Zionists.
    5 were killed on the borders between Lebanon and Zionists.
    1 was killed and 170 were injured on the borders between Gaza and Zionists.
    200 were injured on the crosspoint between Ramallah and Jerusalem

    All the respect for people who still hold the keys to their houses since 63 years.
    May they all RIP

    Because they state it in their charter. I do think that the vast majority of Israelis want peace and that the government also wants that. However, messianic zealots complicate the situation a whole lot more.

    On refugee camps, exiles, etc., that was very harsh and condemnable. Nevertheless, that's war for you. Like I said, if the Israeli government wanted to annihilate the Palestinians, they would have managed it years ago with the resources they have at their disposition.

    About the Israeli government wanting the annihilation of Palestinians but playing the wise card, I don't buy that.
    You understand nothing about international politics if you think the Israeli's can just annihilate a whole people and get away with it. They have the backing of most of the international community, annihilating the Palestinian people will most probably lose them that support.

    As for your logic of "thats war for you", well that logic just makes it easier for Hamas doesn't it? You can't call Hamas a terrorist organization because whatever they do, i'll just bring up your quote "thats war for you".

    Israeli presence in Palestine is occupation imo, history tells us that 9 times out of 10 occupation is forced out eventually. The French occupied Algeria for 130 years but were eventually kicked out. Hopefully the Israeli's and their oppressive and criminal government get the same fate sooner or later.
     
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    ReBeL

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    The Nakba continues

    Nakba, in Arabic, simply means, Catastrophe, or Tragedy; for Palestinians, it is the most tragic nightmare to happen to a whole nation in modern history.

    The irony is that while Palestinian commemorating the 63rd anniversary of their Catastrophe, the Palestinian exodus, Israelis celebrate what they call "independence day".

    Their independence was achieved by expelling the Palestinian people. Over 700.000 citizens were forced out of their homes, more than 400 cities, towns and villages were evacuated, dozens of towns and villages were demolished and many massacres were committed against innocent people. Thousands of elderly people, men, women and children were killed.

    Israel was found on May 15 1948, after decades of hostility and confrontations between Palestinians -who were living peacefully in their homeland-, and Zionist immigrants, who were brought from different parts of the world to Palestine.

    Under the United Nations partition plan, resolution 181 was adopted on 29 November 1947. The resolution stated that 56.47% of the Palestinian land would be given to the Israeli state, and 42.88% would be left for the state of Palestine, while Jerusalem and Bethlehem would be placed under special international protection.

    The resolution also called for the withdrawal of the British mandate forces by the 1st of August1948, while the two independent states would be established by the 1st of October 1948.

    However, war broke out; and the partition plan was never implemented, Zionist gangs – well-equipped with weapons, supported and backed by the British Mandate government-- succeeded to occupy more than 20% of lands assigned to the Palestinians in the partition plan.

    On the 14th of May 1948, some of 500.000 Zionist immigrants, aided by Western countries, especially Britain, announced "the Israeli Declaration of Independence".

    Since then, Palestinians have faced ethnic cleansing, deportation, misery, massacres, and arrests. It was obvious that the world chose Palestinians to pay the price of the Holocaust committed by the Nazis.

    After 63 years of Nakba, Israel and many pro- Israel countries believe that Palestinians might forget their nightmare. But it is clear their expectations are false.

    The huge rallies over the weekend prove that Palestinians will never forget their lands and will never abandon their right to return. They consider Zionism's responsibility for the Nakba as an integral part of the establishment of the state of Israel, even if Israel will never admit to this responsibility.

    But, the fact is, Zionism's responsibility for the Nakba will remain as long as the Palestinian issue remains without just and fair solution.

    New Palestinian generations, in the Diaspora, marched to their beloved Palestine from surrounding borders, a clear message to the world and to Israel that this land is ours we have the right to return.

    When asked where they are from, children in the occupied territories or in the Diaspora answer with the town or village their ancestors were born, not the place they are living.

    What happened over the last few days was a call for justice, a call for the world to be fairer to Palestinians, to give Palestinians their rights, nothing but their rights.

    It is a reminder to the so called Free and Democratic World, that there will be no peace in this region if Palestinian misery and suffering continues.

    Today, as the winds of change sweep through the Arab countries, and a new Arab spirit appears, this call comes in a peaceful way, a way that the world should grasp, especially when no one can guarantee that this way will last forever.

    17-5-2011
    Rashid Shahin
     
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    ReBeL

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    This is how Palestinian refugees in Syria could cross the borders last Sunday for the first time since 1948

     
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    ReBeL

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    Each Friday, people in many villages in the West Bank protest against settlements and separation wall on their stolen lands in cooperation with many foregn activists.

    This video is an example to what takes place in one of those villages, Nabi Saleh village near Ramallah. It was taken last Friday.



    Have you heard about this in your Tv?

    I doubt it. People are calling Palestinians to try to use peaceful ways of expressing themselves. Ok, they have been doing this since years. Have you heard abot them?
     

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