Israeli-Palestinian conflict (36 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Israel cannot be considered a democracy because in essence a democracy needs to be secular. But I don't see how on Earth this is going to do you any good, because democracy is not something that matters in the muslim world.
    Israel claims always that it is the only democracy in the Middle East. We don't say that there are other democracies here, but it is a big lie that Israel is considered a democracy.
     

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    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    Israel cannot be considered a democracy because in essence a democracy needs to be secular. But I don't see how on Earth this is going to do you any good, because democracy is not something that matters in the muslim world.

    Like Rebel said, we never said we have democracies, just laughing at Israel's claim that they are the only democracy in the middle east.
     
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    ReBeL

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    As Turkey front freezes, Israel looks to warming Balkan ties

    Since its relations with Turkey crumbled over the past year, Israel has begun looking to the Balkan states for new friends and allies. The new initiatives extend to shared intelligence, joint military exercises and boosting tourism, officials say.

    In the past year Israel has expanded relations with Greece and Bulgaria and upgraded its existing ties with Cyprus, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Croatia. These states share concerns about Turkey's new radicalism and world jihad's growing influence there and see new opportunities for economic, technical and security cooperation with Israel.

    "They realized a great danger was in store for them and the issue rose in the talks between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov in January," a senior Israeli official said.

    The botched Israeli raid on a Turkish flotilla increased Bulgaria's motivation for intelligence and defense cooperation with Jerusalem. Borisov and Netanyahu had three conversations with each other within two weeks following the action, intended to facilitate the release of two Bulgarian journalists who had been on board one of the ships, the official said.

    Borisov suggested increasing military cooperation by enabling the Israeli Air Force to use Bulgaria's bases and air space for training. The first training session is due to be held soon.

    "Unlike the past, Borisov decided in favor of cooperation with Israel. Immediately after his election he visited Jerusalem, the first visit of a Bulgarian prime minister for the past 18 years," says Israel's ambassador to Bulgaria, Noah Gal-Gendler.

    The Bulgarians are hoping that Israeli tourists who stopped visiting Turkey will come en masse to Bourgas and Varna on the Black Sea coast. Some 150,000 Israelis are expected to visit Bulgaria by the end of the year and Bulgaria wants to increase the number to 250,000 in 2011.

    "Borisov's government sees us as top priority," says Gal-Gendler. "They are looking for a new economic engine like Israeli high-tech and want to learn how we did it," he says.

    Israel's relations with Greece have also taken a dramatic turn. In February Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou met Netanyahu in Moscow's Cafe Pushkin restaurant.

    Papandreou, who is seeking a greater role in the peace process, realized he must change Greece's relations with Israel. After the Turkish flotilla incident, the Greek army and security forces urged him to forge closer ties with Israel.

    When the economic crisis erupted in Greece, Athens was disappointed not to receive any assistance or investments from Arab states, despite 60 years of pro-Arab policy, a senior Israeli diplomat said.

    Israeli and Greek officials have since discussed defense and strategic cooperation. Greece is also planning to attract Israeli vacationers who used to go to Turkey. Israeli tourism to Greece has increased by 200 percent this year and is expected to reach 250,000 by the end of the year.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...-israel-looks-to-warming-balkan-ties-1.326903
     
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    ReBeL

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    The Zionist army increased the number of buildings demolished last week all around the West Bank...

    From a village near Jericho:











    From Jerusalem













    Destroying a road near Nablus:








    Near Hebron:


















    Destroying a number of houses and farms in addition to a mosque in a village near Jenin:





















     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
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    As a result of the siege on Gaza, people there had to use other means of transportation because new cars are not allowed to enter there and because of the lack of gasoline because of siege. Here are some pics from Gaza strip last week.

    From Rafah:









    From Gaza city:







    From Shatii Refugee Camp:

     
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    ReBeL

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    GILAD ATZMON: THE BURNING BUSH


    Disaster in the North of Israel, at least 40 dead as fire rages across the Carmel Mountains. A mass evacuation has begun.

    As I am writing these lines, Israeli Fire fighting crews are battling with the flames. They also express no hope of controlling the fire soon. "We lost all control of the fire," said the Haifa Fire fighting services spokesman. "There aren't enough fire fighting resources in Israel in order to put out the fire."

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hurried to the scene of the fire on Thursday. He requested the help of the U.S, Greece, Italy, Russia, and Cyprus to send additional forces to aid the Israeli firemen. A normal country would probably ask for the help of its neighbours, but the Jewish state doesn’t have neighbours. It made all its neighbours into enemies.

    But the story here goes far deeper. The fire in northern Israel is far from being a coincidence. Israel’s rural landscape is saturated with pine trees. These trees are totally new to the region. They were not there until the 1930’s. The pine trees were introduced to the Palestinians landscape in the early 1930s by the Jewish National Fund (JNF) in an attempt to ‘reclaim the land’ . By 1935, JNF had planted 1.7 million trees over a total area of 1,750 acres. Over fifty years, the JNF planted over 260 million trees largely on confiscated Palestinian land. It did it all in a desperate attempt to hide the ruins of the ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages and their history.

    Along the years the JNF performed a crude attempt to eliminate Palestinian civilisation and their past but it also tried to make Palestine look like Europe. The Palestinian natural forest was eradicated. Similarly the olive trees were uprooted. The pine trees took their place. On the southern part of mount Carmel the Israelis named an area as ‘Little Switzerland’. I have learned tonight that Little Switzerland is burned.

    However, the facts on the ground were pretty devastating for the JNF. The pine tree didn’t adapt to the Israeli climate as much as the Israelis failed to adapt to the Middle East. According to JNF statistics, six out of every 10 saplings planted did not survive. Those few trees that did survive formed nothing but a firetrap. By the end of each Israeli summer each of the Israeli pine forests become a potential deadly zone.

    In spite of its nuclear power, its criminal army, the occupation, the Mossad and its lobbies all over the world, Israel seems to be very vulnerable. It is devastatingly alienated from the land it claims to own. Like the pine tree, Israel and the Israeli are foreign to the region.

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-the-burning-bush.html
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    Extinguishing forest fire is a duty to Muslim.

    "Muslims will always earn the reward of charity for planting a tree, sowing a crop and then birds, humans, and animals eat from it" (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

    “If the Day of Judgment erupts while you are planting a new tree, carry on and plant it.”
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
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    Extinguishing forest fire is a duty to Muslim.

    "Muslims will always earn the reward of charity for planting a tree, sowing a crop and then birds, humans, and animals eat from it" (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

    “If the Day of Judgment erupts while you are planting a new tree, carry on and plant it.”
    Fair enough.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Israel refuses entry to Palestinian firefighters being honored for Carmel fire assistance

    Israeli officials on Tuesday canceled a ceremony planned to honor the Palestinian firemen who assisted in battling the Carmel fire last week, after a number of crew members were refused permits to cross the border.

    Palestinian Fire Services Commander Ahmed Rizik said that he and his staff were surprised to learn when they arrived at the checkpoint that only seven out of the 10 fireman would be granted entry into Israel, although all of them had been allowed in at the time of the disaster.

    "There is no logical reason and I don't know what the catalyst was, but unfortunately we could not make it, and therefore the event has been postponed to a later date," he said.

    The Israel Defense Forces said that the permits were denied due to a bureaucratic mistake, explaining that the list of names was processed without the firefighters' identification numbers attached.

    The army said it was now working on getting the honorees the correct permits.

    Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi deemed the incident a "not just a march of folly or a theater of the absurd but stupidity and the normative lordly attitude of the occupation regime."

    "This is a complete shame," he added.

    The Palestinian Authority said in response that it had sent its firefighters out of "humane responsibility" and could not understand why those who risked their lives were now refused entry into Israel.

    "It's not clear how the same firefighters who got permits to go out and help snuff the fire now are now refused permits to their honoring ceremony," said the PA.

    "We did this despite the occupation because it was our humane duty," it added. "We knew the occupation would still be here after our assistance."

    Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad had called President Shimon Peres less than a day after the fire began to offer the aid of Palestinian firefighting teams.

    The fire in which 43 Israelis were killed, ravaging forests outside the port of Haifa, caught Israel without enough firefighting equipment, and forced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to seek foreign help from about a dozen countries.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...g-honored-for-carmel-fire-assistance-1.330580

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    Zionists do not change ever.
     

    Alen

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    Reb, we talked about so many things and I never asked you if you'd go to live in Palestine if you're allowed to. I obviously mean this Israeli occupied Palestine.
     

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