It depends on the rest of my family. I will not go to live alone there. It will be a group decision.
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Of course. 
Personally, what will your stance be during the discussion between the family members? Do you have kids?
Personally, what will your stance be during the discussion between the family members? Do you have kids?
I don't have kids. I'm waiting for my first one next June, I hope.
Israel refuses entry to Palestinian firefighters being honored for Carmel fire assistance
Israeli officials on Tuesday canceled a ceremony planned to honor the Palestinian firemen who assisted in battling the Carmel fire last week, after a number of crew members were refused permits to cross the border.
Palestinian Fire Services Commander Ahmed Rizik said that he and his staff were surprised to learn when they arrived at the checkpoint that only seven out of the 10 fireman would be granted entry into Israel, although all of them had been allowed in at the time of the disaster.
"There is no logical reason and I don't know what the catalyst was, but unfortunately we could not make it, and therefore the event has been postponed to a later date," he said.
The Israel Defense Forces said that the permits were denied due to a bureaucratic mistake, explaining that the list of names was processed without the firefighters' identification numbers attached.
The army said it was now working on getting the honorees the correct permits.
Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi deemed the incident a "not just a march of folly or a theater of the absurd but stupidity and the normative lordly attitude of the occupation regime."
"This is a complete shame," he added.
The Palestinian Authority said in response that it had sent its firefighters out of "humane responsibility" and could not understand why those who risked their lives were now refused entry into Israel.
"It's not clear how the same firefighters who got permits to go out and help snuff the fire now are now refused permits to their honoring ceremony," said the PA.
"We did this despite the occupation because it was our humane duty," it added. "We knew the occupation would still be here after our assistance."
Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad had called President Shimon Peres less than a day after the fire began to offer the aid of Palestinian firefighting teams.
The fire in which 43 Israelis were killed, ravaging forests outside the port of Haifa, caught Israel without enough firefighting equipment, and forced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to seek foreign help from about a dozen countries.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...g-honored-for-carmel-fire-assistance-1.330580
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Zionists do not change ever.
Israeli officials on Tuesday canceled a ceremony planned to honor the Palestinian firemen who assisted in battling the Carmel fire last week, after a number of crew members were refused permits to cross the border.
Palestinian Fire Services Commander Ahmed Rizik said that he and his staff were surprised to learn when they arrived at the checkpoint that only seven out of the 10 fireman would be granted entry into Israel, although all of them had been allowed in at the time of the disaster.
"There is no logical reason and I don't know what the catalyst was, but unfortunately we could not make it, and therefore the event has been postponed to a later date," he said.
The Israel Defense Forces said that the permits were denied due to a bureaucratic mistake, explaining that the list of names was processed without the firefighters' identification numbers attached.
The army said it was now working on getting the honorees the correct permits.
Israeli Arab MK Ahmed Tibi deemed the incident a "not just a march of folly or a theater of the absurd but stupidity and the normative lordly attitude of the occupation regime."
"This is a complete shame," he added.
The Palestinian Authority said in response that it had sent its firefighters out of "humane responsibility" and could not understand why those who risked their lives were now refused entry into Israel.
"It's not clear how the same firefighters who got permits to go out and help snuff the fire now are now refused permits to their honoring ceremony," said the PA.
"We did this despite the occupation because it was our humane duty," it added. "We knew the occupation would still be here after our assistance."
Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad had called President Shimon Peres less than a day after the fire began to offer the aid of Palestinian firefighting teams.
The fire in which 43 Israelis were killed, ravaging forests outside the port of Haifa, caught Israel without enough firefighting equipment, and forced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to seek foreign help from about a dozen countries.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...g-honored-for-carmel-fire-assistance-1.330580
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Zionists do not change ever.
What a bunch of racist ungrateful pricks those idiots are.
Inshallah 8areeban.
New studies show that Jews and Palestinians are both descendants of the ancient Jewish people
It has long been known that Jewish and Middle-Eastern populations were genetically related, thanks to numerous studies of Y chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA. The recent development of DNA microarray technology allowed much finer genetic studies of human populations, by analyzing hundreds of thousands of nucleotides across the human genome. Last year, one such genome-wide study (1) revealed a distinct genetic signature for Ashkenazi Jews and suggested a Near-Eastern origin. Since then, two genome-wide studies, the first to include several Jewish populations, were published just a few days ago by two different teams (2, 3). Both confirmed a common Middle-Eastern ancestry for most worldwide Jewish populations, bringing an end to speculations that modern Jews could be mostly descended from converts with no link to the ancient Hebrews. However, there is another inescapable conclusion from those studies, that the authors did not address: Palestinians are genetically as close or closer to any modern Jewish population than are those Jewish populations to each other. In other words, genetic data is totally consistent with the idea that Palestinians are the direct descendants of ancient Jews who never left their ancestral land and who later converted to Christianity and to Islam (4, 5).
Behar's study, which is the most detailed, revealed that most Jewish populations (except Ethiopian and Indian Jews who are more closely related to their host populations) form a cluster with modern Middle-Eastern populations. There are actually three Jewish sub-clusters, one including Ashkenazi and Sephardi populations, another including Iraqi, Iranian and Caucasian Jews, and a third comprising Yemeni Jews. Remarkably, the Palestinian sub-cluster is located exactly in the middle of the three Jewish sub-clusters, suggesting that modern Palestinians are possibly even more closely related genetically to the ancient Hebrews than many modern Jews. In addition, any of the three Jewish sub-clusters is closer to the Palestinian sub-cluster than to the other two Jewish sub-clusters. This implies that if one considers Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Iraqi, Iranian, Caucasus and Yemeni Jews to all be part of the same Jewish people, then, from a genetic point of view, the Palestinians are an integral part of it.
If the latest genetic evidence vindicates Zionist ideas of Jews returning to their ancestral homeland, it also implies that this right of return should apply to all Palestinians, which have to be considered part of the same Jewish/Palestinian people.
Despite the seemingly hopeless current situation, a simple, sustainable, just and lasting solution to the conflict is therefore within reach. Israel must grant full citizenship to Palestinians, including all refugees. All must be given the right to return to their original homes, or receive proper financial compensation and be free to relocate anywhere in the country. All citizens should have the same rights regardless of their religion, including access to housing, education, health care, jobs and infrastructure. At the same time, Palestinians need to recognize Jews as equally legitimate inhabitants. It would be a win-win situation for all parties in the current conflict: the single state could be considered both a greater Israel and a greater Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital. It could still be a home for worldwide Jews who could still consider it as their spiritual center, as well as for all Palestinians.
The key to achieve a harmonious coexistence is to implement a total separation of church and state, as is the case in all other advanced countries. Any endorsement of one particular religion by a state is a discrimination against its citizens who happen not to adhere to that particular religion.
One common argument against the one-state solution is that Israeli Jews can not accept to become a minority. This becomes a non-issue when one realizes that Jews and Palestinians are actually the same people, as confirmed by genetic research. In order for everyone to feel accepted and protected, political power needs to be shielded from religious extremists. To achieve that, all political parties need to commit to human rights before representing any other values.
This is probably the only chance for Israel to survive, and a fantastic opportunity to correct its mistakes and become a beacon of hope for the rest of mankind.
It has long been known that Jewish and Middle-Eastern populations were genetically related, thanks to numerous studies of Y chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA. The recent development of DNA microarray technology allowed much finer genetic studies of human populations, by analyzing hundreds of thousands of nucleotides across the human genome. Last year, one such genome-wide study (1) revealed a distinct genetic signature for Ashkenazi Jews and suggested a Near-Eastern origin. Since then, two genome-wide studies, the first to include several Jewish populations, were published just a few days ago by two different teams (2, 3). Both confirmed a common Middle-Eastern ancestry for most worldwide Jewish populations, bringing an end to speculations that modern Jews could be mostly descended from converts with no link to the ancient Hebrews. However, there is another inescapable conclusion from those studies, that the authors did not address: Palestinians are genetically as close or closer to any modern Jewish population than are those Jewish populations to each other. In other words, genetic data is totally consistent with the idea that Palestinians are the direct descendants of ancient Jews who never left their ancestral land and who later converted to Christianity and to Islam (4, 5).
Behar's study, which is the most detailed, revealed that most Jewish populations (except Ethiopian and Indian Jews who are more closely related to their host populations) form a cluster with modern Middle-Eastern populations. There are actually three Jewish sub-clusters, one including Ashkenazi and Sephardi populations, another including Iraqi, Iranian and Caucasian Jews, and a third comprising Yemeni Jews. Remarkably, the Palestinian sub-cluster is located exactly in the middle of the three Jewish sub-clusters, suggesting that modern Palestinians are possibly even more closely related genetically to the ancient Hebrews than many modern Jews. In addition, any of the three Jewish sub-clusters is closer to the Palestinian sub-cluster than to the other two Jewish sub-clusters. This implies that if one considers Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Iraqi, Iranian, Caucasus and Yemeni Jews to all be part of the same Jewish people, then, from a genetic point of view, the Palestinians are an integral part of it.
If the latest genetic evidence vindicates Zionist ideas of Jews returning to their ancestral homeland, it also implies that this right of return should apply to all Palestinians, which have to be considered part of the same Jewish/Palestinian people.
Despite the seemingly hopeless current situation, a simple, sustainable, just and lasting solution to the conflict is therefore within reach. Israel must grant full citizenship to Palestinians, including all refugees. All must be given the right to return to their original homes, or receive proper financial compensation and be free to relocate anywhere in the country. All citizens should have the same rights regardless of their religion, including access to housing, education, health care, jobs and infrastructure. At the same time, Palestinians need to recognize Jews as equally legitimate inhabitants. It would be a win-win situation for all parties in the current conflict: the single state could be considered both a greater Israel and a greater Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital. It could still be a home for worldwide Jews who could still consider it as their spiritual center, as well as for all Palestinians.
The key to achieve a harmonious coexistence is to implement a total separation of church and state, as is the case in all other advanced countries. Any endorsement of one particular religion by a state is a discrimination against its citizens who happen not to adhere to that particular religion.
One common argument against the one-state solution is that Israeli Jews can not accept to become a minority. This becomes a non-issue when one realizes that Jews and Palestinians are actually the same people, as confirmed by genetic research. In order for everyone to feel accepted and protected, political power needs to be shielded from religious extremists. To achieve that, all political parties need to commit to human rights before representing any other values.
This is probably the only chance for Israel to survive, and a fantastic opportunity to correct its mistakes and become a beacon of hope for the rest of mankind.
From Getty Images:
An Israeli settler (R) argues with a Palestinian man in front of a disputed house, occupied by Jewish settlers, in east Jerusalem's mainly Arab Sheikh Jarrah district as Palestinian families who lost their homes in the neighbourhood put up a Christmas tree and participated, Christians and Muslims, in a pre-Christmas protest celebration outside their occupied homes on December 20, 2010.
An Israeli settler (R) argues with a Palestinian man in front of a disputed house, occupied by Jewish settlers, in east Jerusalem's mainly Arab Sheikh Jarrah district as Palestinian families who lost their homes in the neighbourhood put up a Christmas tree and participated, Christians and Muslims, in a pre-Christmas protest celebration outside their occupied homes on December 20, 2010.
From Getty Images:
Jewish immigrants from Australia, England and South Africa pose with their new Israeli ID cards after a welcome ceremony at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City on December 22, 2010 following their arrival yesterday. According to the Jewish Agency for Israel, the final 1,000 new immigrants of 2010, from 25 countries, will land in Israel in the next few days.
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Demographic crisis
Jewish immigrants from Australia, England and South Africa pose with their new Israeli ID cards after a welcome ceremony at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City on December 22, 2010 following their arrival yesterday. According to the Jewish Agency for Israel, the final 1,000 new immigrants of 2010, from 25 countries, will land in Israel in the next few days.
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Demographic crisis
From Getty Images:
An unidentified relative of 26-year-old Palestinian Ahmed Maslamani mourns during his funeral in the West Bank village of Tubas after he was shot dead by Israeli troops at a checkpoint in the occupied Palestinian territory on January 2, 2011, less than 48 hours after a female protester died after being tear-gassed in the nearby village of Bilin.
An unidentified relative of 26-year-old Palestinian Ahmed Maslamani mourns during his funeral in the West Bank village of Tubas after he was shot dead by Israeli troops at a checkpoint in the occupied Palestinian territory on January 2, 2011, less than 48 hours after a female protester died after being tear-gassed in the nearby village of Bilin.
Suspected Israeli Neo-Nazi Arrested After Extradition
JERUSALEM -- A non-Jewish Israeli immigrant from Russia suspected of leading a neo-Nazi youth gang was arrested here after he was extradited from Kyrgystan to Israel.
Israeli officials say Dmitri Bogotich, 24, headed a gang that assaulted the homeless, foreign workers, drug addicts and religious Jews. Eight members of the gang, between the ages of 17 and 20, were sent to prison for sentences ranging from one year to seven years for the assaults.
The gang filmed both their assaults and themselves giving a Nazi salute, posting the clips on YouTube and a neo-Nazi website called Format 18. In one incident, members of the group attacked a drug addict in Tel Aviv, forced him to get on his knees and beg for forgiveness. In another incident, they broke a beer bottle over the head of a foreign worker.
Bogotich fled to Russia in 2007, after police first questioned him in connection to the case. A few weeks ago, officials of Interpol arrested him after he arrived at the airport near the capital of Kyrgystan. Israeli police detectives accompanied him on his flight back to Israel.
An Israeli police spokesman said he was taken directly to police headquarters, handcuffed and with shackles on his legs. The spokesman said he cooperated with investigators and confessed to some of the allegations against him. He admitted to being a member of the gang but not its leader.
"He's a young guy who's freaked out about his arrest," said Yashar Yaakobi, his lawyer from the public defender's office. "He claims he was young and bored and got caught up with the wrong people."
Yaakobi also said that Bogotich apologized to investigators and said that he did not have any genuine admiration for Hitler and that he got involved because he was bored.
Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AOL News that Bogotich is lying.
"He can say whatever he wants, but we know who he is and exactly what he did," he said. "We invested a lot of resources since he fled the country, and we succeeded in getting him back."
Police officials said the arrest showed that the Israeli police can function effectively.
"The Israeli police will reach anywhere in the world in order to nab the criminals," Central District police commander Bentzi Sau said. "The citizens have someone they can count on, and the criminals have something to fear."
The pictures of Bogotich and the other members of the group giving the Nazi salute were broadcast on Israeli television when the members of the gang were first arrested. They raised questions about how a neo-Nazi group could flourish in Israel. Rosenfeld told AOL News that there is no neo-Nazi movement in Israel.
"There are only individuals, and as soon as we find out about them, we do whatever we need to stop them," he said.
Some Israeli analysts say they fear that the news of Bogotich's arrest could encourage negative sentiments against Russian immigrants here. More than 1 million Russian-speaking immigrants moved to Israel in the 1990s. According to Israeli law, anyone with one Jewish grandparent is eligible for Israeli citizenship.
"There is a notion that the Russians are pagans who came here to exploit the goodness of the state," Gil Troy, a fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute, told AOL News. "This arrest could feed into those feelings."
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/04/suspected-israeli-neo-nazi-dimitri-bogotich-arrested-after-extra/
JERUSALEM -- A non-Jewish Israeli immigrant from Russia suspected of leading a neo-Nazi youth gang was arrested here after he was extradited from Kyrgystan to Israel.
Israeli officials say Dmitri Bogotich, 24, headed a gang that assaulted the homeless, foreign workers, drug addicts and religious Jews. Eight members of the gang, between the ages of 17 and 20, were sent to prison for sentences ranging from one year to seven years for the assaults.
The gang filmed both their assaults and themselves giving a Nazi salute, posting the clips on YouTube and a neo-Nazi website called Format 18. In one incident, members of the group attacked a drug addict in Tel Aviv, forced him to get on his knees and beg for forgiveness. In another incident, they broke a beer bottle over the head of a foreign worker.
Bogotich fled to Russia in 2007, after police first questioned him in connection to the case. A few weeks ago, officials of Interpol arrested him after he arrived at the airport near the capital of Kyrgystan. Israeli police detectives accompanied him on his flight back to Israel.
An Israeli police spokesman said he was taken directly to police headquarters, handcuffed and with shackles on his legs. The spokesman said he cooperated with investigators and confessed to some of the allegations against him. He admitted to being a member of the gang but not its leader.
"He's a young guy who's freaked out about his arrest," said Yashar Yaakobi, his lawyer from the public defender's office. "He claims he was young and bored and got caught up with the wrong people."
Yaakobi also said that Bogotich apologized to investigators and said that he did not have any genuine admiration for Hitler and that he got involved because he was bored.
Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AOL News that Bogotich is lying.
"He can say whatever he wants, but we know who he is and exactly what he did," he said. "We invested a lot of resources since he fled the country, and we succeeded in getting him back."
Police officials said the arrest showed that the Israeli police can function effectively.
"The Israeli police will reach anywhere in the world in order to nab the criminals," Central District police commander Bentzi Sau said. "The citizens have someone they can count on, and the criminals have something to fear."
The pictures of Bogotich and the other members of the group giving the Nazi salute were broadcast on Israeli television when the members of the gang were first arrested. They raised questions about how a neo-Nazi group could flourish in Israel. Rosenfeld told AOL News that there is no neo-Nazi movement in Israel.
"There are only individuals, and as soon as we find out about them, we do whatever we need to stop them," he said.
Some Israeli analysts say they fear that the news of Bogotich's arrest could encourage negative sentiments against Russian immigrants here. More than 1 million Russian-speaking immigrants moved to Israel in the 1990s. According to Israeli law, anyone with one Jewish grandparent is eligible for Israeli citizenship.
"There is a notion that the Russians are pagans who came here to exploit the goodness of the state," Gil Troy, a fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute, told AOL News. "This arrest could feed into those feelings."
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/04/suspected-israeli-neo-nazi-dimitri-bogotich-arrested-after-extra/
From Reuters:
An Israeli bulldozer and Palestinian posters appear in a nativity scene constructed by U.S. born actor Leo Bassi of what he says depicts what it would be like if Jesus were to be born in modern day Bethlehem, in Madrid, January 4, 2011. Bassi's 16m2 nativity scene of his creation of modern day Palestinian Territories complete with Israeli checkpoints, a security barrier entering the manger scene along with soldiers and bulldozers is on display at a social center in central Madrid. The nativity scene is updated daily to change elements such as checkpoints, bedouin protests, and detentions.
An Israeli bulldozer and Palestinian posters appear in a nativity scene constructed by U.S. born actor Leo Bassi of what he says depicts what it would be like if Jesus were to be born in modern day Bethlehem, in Madrid, January 4, 2011. Bassi's 16m2 nativity scene of his creation of modern day Palestinian Territories complete with Israeli checkpoints, a security barrier entering the manger scene along with soldiers and bulldozers is on display at a social center in central Madrid. The nativity scene is updated daily to change elements such as checkpoints, bedouin protests, and detentions.
