Israeli-Palestinian conflict (45 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Yup, I believe that there weren't massive expulsions. Something like that wouldn't have gone unnoticed. But those states did enough (did a lot, I would say) those Jews to leave those countries. Kind of a silent expulsion.

Israel was everything but a secure place to live in those years. I don't think they'd have left Egypt or Iraq for Israel if they didn't feel much safer even in the insecure Israel.

It can not be compared to what was happening to the Palestinians in Israel. Only a sick man can make such comparison, but the topic was about "Jews going to Europe" and I don't think it's right to dismiss those Jews who didn't come from Europe and to take their right of their properties in Egypt, just because they left "without being forced to do so".
No need to tell you that I see the whole "Jews back to Europe" argument stupid, but if we play that game, then what I said in those two replies and what I say now applies.
So if Seven needs to give his house to a Jewish family, Bisco needs to do it too.

so we accept this fait accompli view, then all it takes is for the arabs to kick out the jews somehow, then wait a generation or 2 for their actions to become legitimate?

 

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[king Ale]

You enjoy twisting words don't you?

It's not like I will go to Israel to commit a genocide but If they bring the war to my home then I wouldn't mind killing all the 5million. In my book, that's called self defense genocide.

If in your book/house it's okay to kill, rape, murder, steal then it's not with us even if 50years passed so far. It's still not.

Till this moment, you and Seven don't know the difference between defending yourself, your home and people, being attacked from attacking civilians and innocent people.

People like you and Seven should probably take the Israeli's from Palestine and then the world would be in heaven if that's okay with you.

Where did I say that you've got no problem with genocides per se? Unless you, yourself, consider yourself as one

I once asked you would you kill the children of those who killed your grandfather? Would you steal the house of the children of those who stole your grandfather's house and what's the difference between you and those criminals then? And you said: the difference is that the place is MY home. You basically said you'd kill the children of those who killed your people. You'd kill someone to punish someone else and that's a crime. You are committing one too. No difference between you and those you call "dirty Zionists" and I can't sympathize with you and anyone who thinks like you. This kind of attitude, this way of thinking is why you haven't been successful to convince the public that you are the victims (even though you are) because they see you as an emotional aggressive bunch of people who can be just as (if not more) brutal as those they call thieves and murderers.

 

[Enron]

so we accept this fait accompli view, then all it takes is for the arabs to kick out the jews somehow, then wait a generation or 2 for their actions to become legitimate?

That seems to be the Final Solution.

 

[king Ale]

I usually don't use it but I'm just trying to show her how valuable and important it is to defend your home and your people at all cost even if it meant a genocide.

I don't know when I claimed otherwise. Too bad for you Rab but you said many other things about this topic which had absolutely nothing to do with "self defense". You are just hiding yourself behind it now.

 

[Seven]

Isn't Alen a historian?

So am I .

And third, wasn't there a difference between Zionists and Jews? All of you convinced us here how you don't hate the Jews but you hate the Zionists. This lady says "Jews" and you support her?

Plus, I think she chose Poland with a purpose and what she said was sick.

You noticed the same thing I did. I've been saying it for a while now. Let's just call them Jews. It's not about Israelis or Zionists, it's about Jews.

 

[Alen]

so we accept this fait accompli view, then all it takes is for the arabs to kick out the jews somehow, then wait a generation or 2 for their actions to become legitimate?

Well, it will surely be hard to say that the grandchildren of the Arabs who'll kick the Jews out won't have the biggest right on the house they live in, which will be the only home they know.

Btw, what's your view on this? Maybe you shared it with us but I forgot. What is your suggestion? Where should the 30 year old who lives all his life in a building built over Rebel's grandfather house go?

 

[Enron]

So am I .

But you're also a monger.

 

[Seven]

But you're also a monger.

 

[Azzurri7]

I once asked you would you kill the children of those who killed your grandfather? Would you steal the house of the children of those who stole your grandfather's house and what's the difference between you and those criminals then? And you said: the difference is that the place is MY home. You basically said you'd kill the children of those who killed your people. You'd kill someone to punish someone else and that's a crime. You are committing one too.

I don't remember you asking me these questions. Please show me the posts.

Here's what I said...

We've had enough of the Israeli's genocides. I've had enough of them killing my relatives, destroying my house two times the last time was in 2006, I've had enough of them trying to occupy my land, south of Lebanon, I've had enough of them that at some point I wouldn't mind if genocides takes place against them because a man with nothing to loose results into nothing to loose

I kill your parents, I steal your house, I rape your siblings, if your reaction would be standing up and applauding me then I don't have much to comment. If your reaction is standing up and attacking me trying to defend yourself even if that meant killing me then we're on the same line.

I said also, I wouldn't mind killing any one of them, be it youngsters, old men if that meant Israel occupying my land. Yes, if they want to occupy my land and turn it into another Palestine or Gazza then I wouldn't mind killing them from youngest till oldest. I have to think of my Parents and childcare's future no? :smile:

No difference between you and those you call "dirty Zionists" and I can't sympathize with you and anyone who thinks like you. This kind of attitude, this way of thinking is why you haven't been successful to convince the public that you are the victims (even though you are) because they see you as an emotional aggressive bunch of people who can be just as (if not more) brutal as those they call thieves and murderers.

I'm not waiting for your judgment on whether to tell me if I'm any indifferent to the Zionists or not since you've experienced nothing and you know nothing about what we've passed through and how much blood we've lost in my homeland.

I don't have crime records on my neck, I don't have young children's blood on my neck too.

This way of thinking is why we haven't been successful? What's successful to you? Please answer. Please.

- Successful is to let them wipe us out of this planet?
-Successful is to watch them killing us?
-Successful is to accept them occupying our land?
-Successful is to shut our mouths and say nothing so the world doesn't turn against us?

Fuck successful, I don't want to be successful, I'd rather look like a murder trying to protect himself and his future's kids then to look like a successful pussy lad.

If the public people are so ignorant to not know the difference between a criminal and an innocent then the world's public people can soap it and I will depend on myself without caring what they'll have to say.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well, it will surely be hard to say that the grandchildren of the Arabs who'll kick the Jews out won't have the biggest right on the house they live in, which will be the only home they know.

Btw, what's your view on this? Maybe you shared it with us but I forgot. What is your suggestion? Where should the 30 year old who lives all his life in a building built over Rebel's grandfather house go?

ideally? be ruled by a third party. The biggest hurdle to peace is the refugees imo even bigger than the jerusalem issue.

 

[Seven]

I don't remember you asking me these questions. Please show me the posts.

Here's what I said...

We've had enough of the Israeli's genocides. I've had enough of them killing my relatives, destroying my house two times the last time was in 2006, I've had enough of them trying to occupy my land, south of Lebanon, I've had enough of them that at some point I wouldn't mind if genocides takes place against them because a man with nothing to loose results into a nothing to loose

I kill your parents, I steal your house, I rape your siblings, if your reaction would be standing up and applauding me then I don't have much to comment. If your reaction is standing up and attacking me trying to defend yourself even if that meant killing me then we're on the same line.

I said also, I wouldn't mind killing any one of them, be it youngsters, old men if that meant Israel occupying my land. Yes, if they want to occupy my land and turn it into another Palestine or Gazza then I wouldn't mind killing them from youngest till oldest. I have to think of my Parents and childcare's future no? :smile:

That really isn't what she said, Rab. Come on, be fair.

I'm not waiting for your judgment on whether to tell me if I'm any indifferent to the Zionists or not since you've experienced nothing and you know nothing about what we've passed through and how much blood we've lost in my homeland.

I don't have crime records on my neck, I don't have young children's blood on my neck too.

This way of thinking is why we haven't been successful? What's successful to you? Please answer. Please.

- Successful is to let them wipe us out of this planet?
-Successful is to watch them killing us?
-Successful is to accept them occupying our land?
-Successful is to shut our mouths and say nothing so the world doesn't turn against us?

Fuck successful, I don't want to be successful, I'd rather look like a murder trying to protect himself and his future's kids then to look like a successful pussy lad.

If the public people are so ignorant to not know the difference between a criminal and an innocent then the world's public people can soap it and I will depend on myself without caring what they'll have to say.

Yes. That's exactly what they have achieved. You have countered them with idiotic ideas and hate and now the world is letting them get away with everything. So yes, succesful in this context means you can get away with stuff like this.

As for not knowing the difference between a criminal and an innocent man.. it's not as easy as you think it is.

 

[Seven]

ideally? be ruled by a third party. The biggest hurdle to peace is the refugees imo even bigger than the jerusalem issue.

The only option we might add.

 

[Alen]

Lets give Israel to the Russians.
In no time both the Jews and the Arabs will like to leave the country and never come back

 

[Seven]

So if Seven needs to give his house to a Jewish family, Bisco needs to do it too.

No, luckily enough I wouldn't have to leave, because my family built this house in 1996. Our neighbours who bought their house in 1990 (with every penny they had) might not be so lucky though, because.. well, 80 years ago a Jewish family lived there.

This is yet another injustice ReBeL does not have an answer for.

 

[Azzurri7]

I don't know when I claimed otherwise. Too bad for you Rab but you said many other things about this topic which had absolutely nothing to do with "self defense". You are just hiding yourself behind it now.

Live in a place with no water and electricity, in a place where medicines doesn't pass in, in a place you barely eat rice and drink water only when your lungs are as dry as the sand and you'll know the definition of self defense.


Trust me, in Lebanon and in Palestine the last thing they seek or we seek is giving a wrong image/picture of how to defend yourself. We think of living in dignity and bring the meal back home for the family, the rest doesn't matter much.

 

[Seven]

Live in a place with no water and electricity, in a place where medicines doesn't pass in, in a place you barely eat rice and drink water only when you're lungs are as dry as the sand and you'll know the definition of self defense.

Trust me, in Lebanon and in Palestine the last thing they seek or we seek is giving a wrong image/picture of how to defend yourself. We think of living in dignity and bring the meal back home for the family, the rest doesn't matter much.

I don't know, mate, that really doesn't sound like the definition of self defense to me.

 

[Azzurri7]

That really isn't what she said, Rab. Come on, be fair.

That's the point. I want her to think for a second and experience this in her mind and I would like her to give me an answer.

Yes. That's exactly what they have achieved. You have countered them with idiotic ideas and hate and now the world is letting them get away with everything. So yes, succesful in this context means you can get away with stuff like this.

As for not knowing the difference between a criminal and an innocent man.. it's not as easy as you think it is.

You know what I hate? Someone telling me how idiotic and how wrong is this or this and not give a solution. Write me down your ideas if possible instead of telling me how idiotic my ideas are.

 

[Alen]

No, luckily enough I wouldn't have to leave, because my family built this house in 1996. Our neighbours who bought their house in 1990 (with every penny they had) might not be so lucky though, because.. well, 80 years ago a Jewish family lived there.

This is yet another injustice ReBeL does not have an answer for.

But despite disagreeing with him, I understand him (I think I do). You don't even seem to understand his anger

 

[Seven]

That's the point. I want her to think for a second and experience this in her mind and I would like her to give me an answer.





You know what I hate? Someone telling me how idiotic and how wrong is this or this and not give a solution. Write me down your ideas if possible instead of telling me how idiotic my ideas are.

I have always backed the idea of a state ruled by a third party, because I think they're both entitled to the land, but there won't be peace if one rules over the other, which is what would happen.

The notion of shipping them all back to Europe is idiotic for a thousand reasons.

 

[Seven]

But despite disagreeing with him, I understand him (I think I do). You don't even seem to understand his anger

I understand that he's angry. I understand that he doesn't think of this as fair. Hell, for some people it isn't fair.

But it's more just than what he has in mind. And in that sense no, I don't understand a guy who is about to destroy the lives of MILLIONS of people, because he believes that's the right thing to do.