Israeli-Palestinian conflict (61 Viewers)

[Fred]

Let me get this straight.

You believe that the Israeli's have a legitimate right to Palestinian land??

 

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[ReBeL]

Let me see if I have this right, you're saying that Palestine, the former British mandate exists in a factual undeniable form?

We discussed this many times in this thread.

Anyway, according to Aljazeera, Israelis forbid ambulances from reaching the area where the clashes took place, so it is not so clear if there are Palestinian martyrs or injuries yet.

 

[Fred]

Neither side wants to negotiate, don't act like the Palestinian Authority is sitting at the table willing to make a deal because they aren't they're as Stubborn and bloodthirsty as the Zionists

Of course they are, they shouldn't negotiate. If i came to your house with a gun and took control over the living room, the kitchen and all the bedrooms except one, which i left for you, would you be willing to negotiate, or would you want your whole house back??

 

[ReBeL]

Neither side wants to negotiate, don't act like the Palestinian Authority is sitting at the table willing to make a deal because they aren't they're as Stubborn and bloodthirsty as the Zionists

Well, the Palestinian authority has given up 78% of Palestinian land if you do not know. They want only the West Bank and Gaza out of the whole historical Palestine. On the contrary, Israelis do not want to give Palestinians anything.

Now, Palestinian authority are prone to collapse at any minute because simply they offered more than the people can handle here, and their popularity among Palestinians is less than 20%.

 

[IrishZebra]

Let me get this straight.

You believe that the Israeli's have a legitimate right to Palestinian land??

No of course not.

There should only be Palestine but there is onlyIsrael

 

[IrishZebra]

Of course they are, they shouldn't negotiate. If i came to your house with a gun and took control over the living room, the kitchen and all the bedrooms except one, which i left for you, would you be willing to negotiate, or would you want your whole house back??

If some guy came into your house took everything but one room and then killed one of your sons, they you killed one of his, them he killed one of yours etc. etc. over nearly half a century until you were both running out of sons would you not stop the madness and try to compromise at first, even if you were just using it the build strong enough to take back the whole house or would you keep fighting from the toilet until the shit overran you?

 

[JBF]

No of course not.

There should only be Palestine but there is onlyIsrael

And how do you think we should react about that IZ?

 

[JBF]

If some guy came into your house took everything but one room and then killed one of your sons, they you killed one of his, them he killed one of yours etc. etc. over nearly half a century until you were both running out of sons would you not stop the madness and try to compromise at first, even if you were just using it the build strong enough to take back the whole house or would you keep fighting from the toilet until the shit overran you?

I'll never give him my house that's for sure. I could let go of a room or two since he's the strongest and the most backed but the funny thing is that he aint accepting anything less than the whole house except a few wrecked rooms.

 

[IrishZebra]

And how do you think we should react about that IZ?

You should take the most sensible action that will have the highest chance of brigning about a free Palestine,

Negotiate.

 

[The Curr]

If Israel set up huge lawnmowers and these guys ran into them do they deserve respect?

You can't beat the IDF, and fighting them will only make things worse. They're back by massive aid and subsidies from the US et al, and they have enough chemical weapons to kill every single 'Palestinian' and they have Nukes as well, this isn't Ireland in the 1920s you're boxed in on all sides by a vastly superior enemy, you should negotiate first, then kill them.

I was going to say that.

So they should just sit down and accept that Israel is stronger?

Weaker armies have defeated stronger armies several times in history. Eventually the occupation will be forced out, as long as the Palestinian people do not have the defeatist mentality that you have, eventually they will regain what is rightfully theirs.

Do you really think that is going to come about from the way things are going now? The only way that'll ever happen is as a result of negotiation.

 

[IrishZebra]

I'd just like to point out the the guy did come into my house but he just left with the 6 shittiest rooms (Northern Ireland) so

 

[IrishZebra]

I was going to say that.



Do you really think that is coming to come about from the way things are going now? The only way that'll ever happen is as a result of negotiation.

What are you doing in a politics thread?

 

[The Curr]

What are you doing in a politics thread?

I'm in the mood today. Plus, this was a sensible conversation, not nonsensical bickering. I try to avoid that.

 

[JBF]

You should take the most sensible action that will have the highest chance of brigning about a free Palestine,

Negotiate.

As I said earlier they're asking for us to accept their terms which means us having to give up every weapon we have and sign a treaty of peace while have less than 20% of our whole land! If you can accept such terms then you're a coward pig who's a disgrace to his country and that's why no Palestinian is even considering that.

I'd just like to point out the the guy did come into my house but he just left with the 6 shittiest rooms (Northern Ireland) so

But still, you gave up what is supposed to be yours. COWARDS!

 

[ReBeL]

You should take the most sensible action that will have the highest chance of brigning about a free Palestine,

Negotiate.

I was going to say that.



Do you really think that is going to come about from the way things are going now? The only way that'll ever happen is as a result of negotiation.

Negotiating with whom?

Zionists refuse to negotiate at all. They are so happy with status quo. Continuous stealing for the land and annoying the people to force them out of the whole region. Who would force them to negotiate?

 

[IrishZebra]

But still, you gave up what is supposed to be yours. COWARDS!

Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my Sovereignty.

Negotiating with whom?

Zionists refuse to negotiate at all. They are so happy with status quo. Continuous stealing for the land and annoying the people to force them out of the whole region. Who would force them to negotiate?

Not all Zionists won't negotiate, only the hardliners that get elected when buses are blown up full of kids.

 

[Bjerknes]

The problem with not fighting back is that would probably increase the rate of theft of Palestinian land by the Israelis which, is as clear as day, premeditated and planned. They do not want a two-state solution because if they did, they would halt the siege and stop taking more land. But they do not do that. So therefore, you have to take their actions at face value, not their words, and put up resistance against these attacks on Palestinian land.

It's time to boycott Israeli companies and corporations that give them aid. Coca-cola is one of the biggest donators to Israel, which is illegal because any nation that has nuclear weapons cannot receive monetary aid. There are several other companies that do so as well, and they should be dealt with accordingly. Moreover, the staunch allies of Israel in Congress need to be voted out of office. This might be more difficult to do because everyone and their mother just loves Israel, but there are folks like Ron Paul who are against aiding them, so he's a start.

 

[ReBeL]

Not all Zionists won't negotiate, only the hardliners that get elected when buses are blown up full of kids.

There was no martyr bombing that targeted buses full of kids in the whole conflict history. That is exaggerated too much from you.

Anyway, just tell me when was the last martyr bombing.

Since years, no bombing took place that targeted civilians.

So, what is the excuse now that forbids big countries from interfering in the issue?

 

[IrishZebra]

What happened on September 1 2004 ?

 

[JBF]

The problem with not fighting back is that would probably increase the rate of theft of Palestinian land by the Israelis which, is as clear as day, premeditated and planned. They do not want a two-state solution because if they did, they would halt the siege and stop taking more land. But they do not do that. So therefore, you have to take their actions at face value, not their words, and put up resistance against these attacks on Palestinian land.

It's time to boycott Israeli companies and corporations that give them aid. Coca-cola is one of the biggest donators to Israel, which is illegal because any nation that has nuclear weapons cannot receive monetary aid. There are several other companies that do so as well, and they should be dealt with accordingly. Moreover, the staunch allies of Israel in Congress need to be voted out of office. This might be more difficult to do because everyone and their mother just loves Israel, but there are folks like Ron Paul who are against aiding them, so he's a start.

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