Israeli-Palestinian conflict (62 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
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They killed two soldiers. or are the soldiers identified as "Innocent people" these days? you know those soldiers who kill infants and wiped hall cities not so long ago.


But why do I even bother explaining these things to you.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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They really deserve respect...
No, they would deserve respect if they were able to do something to actually improve the situation. Not by escalating it.

If they couldn't do that, then they were just desperate people with no idea what to do and that doesn't deserve any respect imo. It deserves sympathy maybe, but respect?
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Hamas says it attacked Israeli troops entering Gaza


    GAZA (Reuters) – Hamas said its gunmen fired on Israeli soldiers who crossed into the Gaza Strip on Friday during a clash which Palestinian witnesses said inflicted at least one military casualty.
    Hamas, Gaza's ruling Islamist movement, has largely held fire since its costly 2008-2009 war with Israel, though smaller factions have at times chafed at the de facto truce.

    "An Israeli army force raided 500 meters (yards) into Palestinian territory, and was confronted by our gunmen," said Abu Obeida, spokesman for the Hamas armed wing. "This was our work, but was carried out for defense."
    Two other groups, Islamic Jihad and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, said their men also took part in the fighting.

    Witnesses said Friday's exchange of fire began when an explosion, possibly caused by a anti-armor rocket fired from the nearby Palestinian town of Khan Younis, hit an Israeli army patrol on the central Gazan border.
    Backed by tanks, the troops fired back at their assailants and entered Gazan territory, the witnesses said. Such pursuits are common practice for the Israelis, who try to maintain a buffer zone within the border fence off-limits to Palestinians.
    The witnesses said that, during the fighting, soldiers stretchered away a wounded comrade and helicopters came to the scene, apparently for medical evacuations.
    Two Palestinians, one a 10-year-old boy, were also wounded, Gaza hospital officials said.

    The statements by Hamas, Islamic Jihad and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades did not make clear who might have carried out the initial ambush on the Israeli patrol.
    An Israeli army spokeswoman said she was aware of an incident under way in the area. She did not offer more details.
    Tensions have run high along the Gaza frontier this month, with Israel launching repeated air strikes in response to Palestinian rocket attacks, one of which killed a Thai worker in a kibbutz last week.
    An Israeli soldier was accidentally shot dead by comrades this week as they rushed to intercept three Palestinian border-jumpers who were later found to have been looking for work in Israel.

    Reuters
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
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    Your land? That's a matter of perspective isn't it.


    Yep, they certainly choose to join the IDF, they're all money grubbing, land snatching children eating zionists, not compulsory at all.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Jan 14, 2005
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    No, they would deserve respect if they were able to do something to actually improve the situation. Not by escalating it.

    If they couldn't do that, then they were just desperate people with no idea what to do and that doesn't deserve any respect imo. It deserves sympathy maybe, but respect?
    They have nothing else to do against Israeli siege and slow killing for their families. Either they try to defend their people and clash with Israeli invaders when they try to get into their homes or wait to see their families killed slowly by Zionists in front of a totally coward world.
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    No, they would deserve respect if they were able to do something to actually improve the situation. Not by escalating it.

    If they couldn't do that, then they were just desperate people with no idea what to do and that doesn't deserve any respect imo. It deserves sympathy maybe, but respect?

    Someone who is weak yet bravely fighting for the freedom of his country does not deserve respect??

    If that doesn't deserve respect i really really don't know what does.

    Strange argument you make there, would you have preferred they just sat quiet and accepted everything just so it won't escalate the matter?? They're under siege for fucks sake.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
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    Someone who is weak yet bravely fighting for the freedom of his country does not deserve respect??

    If that doesn't deserve respect i really really don't know what does.
    If Israel set up huge lawnmowers and these guys ran into them do they deserve respect?

    You can't beat the IDF, and fighting them will only make things worse. They're back by massive aid and subsidies from the US et al, and they have enough chemical weapons to kill every single 'Palestinian' and they have Nukes as well, this isn't Ireland in the 1920s you're boxed in on all sides by a vastly superior enemy, you should negotiate first, then kill them.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Jan 14, 2005
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    Your land? That's a matter of perspective isn't it.


    Yep, they certainly choose to join the IDF, they're all money grubbing, land snatching children eating zionists, not compulsory at all.
    No. That is not a matter of perspective. It is our land regardless how Zionist this world would become...
     

    JBF

    اختك يا زمن
    Aug 5, 2006
    18,451
    Your land? That's a matter of perspective isn't it.


    Yep, they certainly choose to join the IDF, they're all money grubbing, land snatching children eating zionists, not compulsory at all.
    No it isn't. Before the WWII, can you dig in the history books and look for who came on ships from all across Europe to settle in a country that was already occupied by the British or do you wanna continue this BS you're saying without any knowledge what so ever about this issue?


    Im sure you had already picked the latter.
     

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    Someone who is weak yet bravely fighting for the freedom of his country does not deserve respect??

    If that doesn't deserve respect i really really don't know what does.

    Strange argument you make there, would you have preferred they just sat quiet and accepted everything just so it won't escalate the matter?? They're under siege for fucks sake.
    Tbh it was a weak post and I usually don't post that kind of stuff.

    I was basically saying that in a war I don't find killing people on the other side as being anything worth respect. If that's the only thing you can do because the circumstances force you to do it, then what is there to admire in that? Respect is something you get when you do something above expectations, something extraordinary, something constructive above all. And now you're going to say that killing some soldiers is exactly that, god what a sad world.
     

    Fred

    Senior Member
    Oct 2, 2003
    41,113
    If Israel set up huge lawnmowers and these guys ran into them do they deserve respect?

    You can't beat the IDF, and fighting them will only make things worse. They're back by massive aid and subsidies from the US et al, and they have enough chemical weapons to kill every single 'Palestinian' and they have Nukes as well, this isn't Ireland in the 1920s you're boxed in on all sides by a vastly superior enemy, you should negotiate first, then kill them.

    So they should just sit down and accept that Israel is stronger?

    Weaker armies have defeated stronger armies several times in history. Eventually the occupation will be forced out, as long as the Palestinian people do not have the defeatist mentality that you have, eventually they will regain what is rightfully theirs.
     

    Fred

    Senior Member
    Oct 2, 2003
    41,113
    Tbh it was a weak post and I usually don't post that kind of stuff.

    I was basically saying that in a war I don't find killing people on the other side as being anything worth respect. If that's the only thing you can do because the circumstances force you to do it, then what is there to admire in that? Respect is something you get when you do something above expectations, something extraordinary, something constructive above all. And now you're going to say that killing some soldiers is exactly that, god what a sad world.

    Killing soldiers in a vastly stronger army is, yes. Especially when your under siege for years.

    Circumstances like these could a lot of people just give up and stay at home instead of fighting a force that is much stronger than you. When people don't give up, its admirable yes.
     

    JBF

    اختك يا زمن
    Aug 5, 2006
    18,451
    Your land? That's a matter of perspective isn't it.


    Yep, they certainly choose to join the IDF, they're all money grubbing, land snatching children eating zionists, not compulsory at all.
    If Israel set up huge lawnmowers and these guys ran into them do they deserve respect?

    You can't beat the IDF, and fighting them will only make things worse. They're back by massive aid and subsidies from the US et al, and they have enough chemical weapons to kill every single 'Palestinian' and they have Nukes as well, this isn't Ireland in the 1920s you're boxed in on all sides by a vastly superior enemy, you should negotiate first, then kill them.
    They dont want to negotiate thats the hall point! they want all the land that aint even there's but they are claiming it because they are the ones who are more armed and equipped and backed from the strongest nation in the world.

    And yet, we should except these terms and throw what is left of pity weapons we have just for them to have another maniac who would claim those lands we were allowed to keep. They've done it before and they'll do it again. They ask for a genocide against all the Palestinian blood and if you were a Palestinian Im sure you won't accept that, will you?
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Respect is something you get when you do something above expectations, something extraordinary, something constructive above all. And now you're going to say that killing some soldiers is exactly that, god what a sad world.
    Well, if you don't see today's operation as something above expectations, then I don't know what could qualify to be in your viewpoint. People who are under siege since three years now are fighting the fourth strongest army in the world, and causing direct casualties between the attackers.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    No it isn't. Before the WWII, can you dig in the history books and look for who came on ships from all across Europe to settle in a country that was already occupied by the British or do you wanna continue this BS you're saying without any knowledge what so ever about this issue?


    Im sure you had already picked the latter.
    No. That is not a matter of perspective. It is our land regardless how Zionist this world would become...
    Let me see if I have this right, you're saying that Palestine, the former British mandate exists in a factual undeniable form?

    So they should just sit down and accept that Israel is stronger?

    Weaker armies have defeated stronger armies several times in history. Eventually the occupation will be forced out, as long as the Palestinian people do not have the defeatist mentality that you have, eventually they will regain what is rightfully theirs.
    Armies not tiny insurgencies.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
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    They dont want to negotiate thats the hall point! they want all the land that aint even there's but they are claiming it because they are the ones who are more armed and equipped and backed from the strongest nation in the world.

    And yet, we should except these terms and throw what is left of pity weapons we have just for them to have another maniac who would claim those lands we were allowed to keep. They've done it before and they'll do it again. They ask for a genocide against all the Palestinian blood and if you were a Palestinian Im sure you won't accept that, will you?
    Neither side wants to negotiate, don't act like the Palestinian Authority is sitting at the table willing to make a deal because they aren't they're as Stubborn and bloodthirsty as the Zionists
     

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