Israeli-Palestinian conflict (38 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

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  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Well who had the house first?
    Welll, even if you used this logic, Canaanites who are the ancestors of Palestinians were there before jews were thrown out of Egypt. So, either ways, Zionists have no right to live at that region at all.
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
    12,645
    This came out today from 'Al Hayat' Arab-London based Newspaper.

    Arab Press Reminds Turkey and Israel of Armenian Genocide


    The persecution and oppression of Kurds in Turkey basically renders Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s calls for justice and compassion in Gaza worthless, reports the Arab-language London-based publication Al Hayat.

    “Justice and rights cannot be separated from each other. Those who, in one place, speak of rights and justice, while in another case, disregard those values, are using double standards. It’s no secret that Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party works this way. Turkey has not acknowledged the fact it has committed ethnic cleansing of millions of Armenians and Assyrians and has displaced these people.

    “On the contrary, all those who dare to speak about it are being prosecuted in Turkey. So far, Turkey has not acknowledged those massacres and the justice mentioned by Erdogan must also include recognition of the Genocide committed by the Turkish state,” the paper said.

    Al Hayat also reports that the campaign against famous Turkish writer and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Orhan Pamuk was launched because he started speaking about the massacres of Armenians and Kurds that took place in Turkey.

    “For 20 years, the Turkish army killed 30,000 people, thousands of Kurdish villages were vacated and burned. More than 4 million Kurds left their homes, ran away and settled in cities.

    “Kurdish regions were blockaded which was more horrible than the blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel. But neither Erdogan nor his party members uttered a single word about that; they remembered neither the slaughtered children nor the crying women,” Al Hayat concluded.
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
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    Where were the Jews before Egypt?
    I think people need to stop using this argument though Aaron. It's not the right way, as I'm sure you know that and we know that however, people are taking this the wrong way. Arabs should not be using this argument, and I encourage them not too...but the Israelis are. Most Israelis will bring in, like I said earlier, the religious card and say "God chose them for this land" or some religious bullshit like that. If it's not that reason, then it's "We had more Jews than Arabs before 1920's" which is just blatantly a lie.

    Like I said, it's not a matter of who came first, but the freedom that the Palestinians want. An independent country with social, economic and military revenues. Israel is not fulfilling this like it said it would in the 70's, and in the 90's. I feel sorry for the Palestinians living in the occupied territories, they must be losing their minds slowly slowly so I don't blame them for the terror tactics. Israel is the one that needs to be blamed, not the Palestinians.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
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    Welll, even if you used this logic, Canaanites who are the ancestors of Palestinians were there before jews were thrown out of Egypt. So, either ways, Zionists have no right to live at that region at all.
    The Jews and Arabs are from the same genetic 'tree' actualy, so therfore I withdraw my previous point as it is impossible to tell which distinct ethnic divergance came first if at all.
     

    Enron

    Tickle Me
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    Oct 11, 2005
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    @Eddy: I know. I just couldn't remember if the Jews were taken to Babylon or Abyssinia before they were enslaved in Egypt. Historically speaking of course.;)
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    Actually couldn't some Jews have been considered Arab that far back?
    I believe that realisitcally they represent that same genetic group that through different sets of experiences and geographic/climactic circumstances evolved distinctly different traits which were commonly associated with religion instead of that at that time unknown genetics, In fact both are Semitic variances which means they have to be genetically linked at least that's what my keen interest in the topic has led me to believe.
     

    Enron

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    Oct 11, 2005
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    I believe that realisitcally they represent that same genetic group that through different sets of experiences and geographic/climactic circumstances evolved distinctly different traits which were commonly associated with religion instead of that at that time unknown genetics, In fact both are Semitic variances which means they have to be genetically linked at least that's what my keen interest in the topic has led me to believe.
    That's all obvious. :D


    I think the "my people were here before your people" argument takes away from the fact that there are atrocities being committed against Palestinians at this very moment. If anything is to be done, that needs to be the focus.
     

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