Israeli-Palestinian conflict (87 Viewers)
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What right does anyone have to anything? Do you have a better argument than "I found it first"? Because there is no problem getting into moronic historical debates about which people originate from which ancient people just so that my ancestors go back further than yours. It has precisely zero relevance to the present situation.
I don't think a family will do. A nation more like.
I don't think a family will do. A nation more like.
Its not about who got there first, if we're going by that logic, we arabs might just as well leave the Arab Maghreb(Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Algeria) to the Berbers, the Americans should leave the States to the Red Indians etc.
Palestinians have been living there for centuries, and all of a sudden a bunch of Europeans who share a couple of ancestors and believe in the same religion come barging the door down and claiming they have a god given right to the land. Doesn't sound one bit fair to me. Which is why i said me and Rebel(Zebra, you're welcome too) and maybe a bunch of other arabs should get there to Utrecht throw you out of your house, occupy the city militarily, claim we have a god given right to the place and call it Arabistan or something.
Then don't come to me and say i got here first, be consistent with your opinion and let me occupy your land.
Palestinians have been living there for centuries, and all of a sudden a bunch of Europeans who share a couple of ancestors and believe in the same religion come barging the door down and claiming they have a god given right to the land. Doesn't sound one bit fair to me. Which is why i said me and Rebel(Zebra, you're welcome too) and maybe a bunch of other arabs should get there to Utrecht throw you out of your house, occupy the city militarily, claim we have a god given right to the place and call it Arabistan or something.
Then don't come to me and say i got here first, be consistent with your opinion and let me occupy your land.
Either you are making a claim for an "I found it first" argument or you're not. So make up your mind. If the Israelis didn't have a country for centuries it's not because they didn't want one or the idea never occurred to them, they just simply never could make it happen. Just like the Kurds right now.
The question is still the same as before. If a group of people claim to share a common nationality and they make a claim to have their own country, do we acknowledge that they they should be taken seriously or do we ignore them because we have the guns and they don't?
The question is still the same as before. If a group of people claim to share a common nationality and they make a claim to have their own country, do we acknowledge that they they should be taken seriously or do we ignore them because we have the guns and they don't?
Well thats not how it really happened is it? I won't begrudge them their right to their own country. But why do they have to do it at the expense of the Palestinians? why do they have to do it using military force? What about the people that lost their homes ala Rebel's family so we won't go so far. What happens to them? The home that they had owned for decades, they've been kicked out of it, is that fair?
They want to have their own country they should find land that isn't occupied by other people. You don't come barging in and forcing people out of their homes.
Btw, Europeans oppressed the jews for a long time. In the end they felt guilty(or had interest in helping the jews, whatever you want to believe) so they decided to help make the Zionist dream come true.
A similar case would be the Berber peoples in North Africa. Their rights have been taken from them and they are being marginilised by the arab majority. When we feel some guilt, we'll go force some weak European country to give up their land to give the Berbers a country too. We'll see how you'd like that. On top of that, we'll call you terrorists if you try to resist or defend yourselves.
They want to have their own country they should find land that isn't occupied by other people. You don't come barging in and forcing people out of their homes.
Btw, Europeans oppressed the jews for a long time. In the end they felt guilty(or had interest in helping the jews, whatever you want to believe) so they decided to help make the Zionist dream come true.
A similar case would be the Berber peoples in North Africa. Their rights have been taken from them and they are being marginilised by the arab majority. When we feel some guilt, we'll go force some weak European country to give up their land to give the Berbers a country too. We'll see how you'd like that. On top of that, we'll call you terrorists if you try to resist or defend yourselves.
I don't feel like going into every alley with you, so I'll give you this.
You're living in a house with your parents, you're the only child. The house has two bedrooms, one of them is your room. Your parents have another child. Your parents now say that you have to share your room with your new brother. You of course want to hear no such thing, because according to your moral theory once you have something, it's yours forever. Correct?
You're living in a house with your parents, you're the only child. The house has two bedrooms, one of them is your room. Your parents have another child. Your parents now say that you have to share your room with your new brother. You of course want to hear no such thing, because according to your moral theory once you have something, it's yours forever. Correct?
Well thats a terrible analogy to make because thats not what happened in this case at all.
Its more like, you and your parents live in a house. Then up comes this guy whose got all sort of different weapons, he's much stronger than you, so he takes over the kitchen, the living room, the guest room and the toilet. He leaves you with one bedroom, he kills your parents, forces a few of your siblings out of the house. All under the pretense that he has a god given right to your home.
Its more like, you and your parents live in a house. Then up comes this guy whose got all sort of different weapons, he's much stronger than you, so he takes over the kitchen, the living room, the guest room and the toilet. He leaves you with one bedroom, he kills your parents, forces a few of your siblings out of the house. All under the pretense that he has a god given right to your home.
Who the fuck cares who was there first. You need to have autonomy politically speaking and if you don't have it, then don't go invading that land and claiming it was yours. They know they didn't have autonomy, but instead they used the religion card. "God gave us Israel". And if you dare argue with an Israeli or Jew, you are now labeled an anti-semite. Fuck em all.