Israeli-Palestinian conflict (40 Viewers)
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Yeah Gaelic games includes Hurling, Handball, Gaelic Football etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_games
That too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_games
That too.
They still maitain close links to the paramilitaries, and their leader is a convicted terrorist former head of the IRA governing council. I'm aware that they're no longer a political wing but a fully-fledged party in their own right but you can't just gloss over the history of the scum that is their leadership.
On an unrelated matter which probably also leads to my laughter, they are Nationalists and Nationalists are morons, plus Mary Lou MacDonald is ugly
On an unrelated matter which probably also leads to my laughter, they are Nationalists and Nationalists are morons, plus Mary Lou MacDonald is ugly
Though I don't know who Mary Lou MacDonald is but I checked her out on google and I wana say she's not ugly nor pretty.
We see things differently, Martin. For us, the cause is everything but ridiculous! Why would someone have a family and put them in a bad case of oppression anyway? I don't know how to really explain it to you but in every Arab country there are those who believe in the cause. And as Fred had mentioned earlier, Arabs (and Muslims in general) were never bounded to those borders even in the days when several existed rulers in the region (be it Abbasids, Fatimies and others or Sassanids and Byzantines) those were just domains but the people were always one. Even under Turkish Ottoman rule. It's easier to see in Europe when Arabs just concentrate in one place, take Edgeware Road in London for example.
Israel should never have existed if the British and French mandates did not part us in defined borders which only gave us these conflicts we see these days. What I mean to say is, Palestine is a part of my land as much as Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia are. Can we throw Israel into the sea? Is it worth it as a cause? Well, all people deserve to live and if Jews want to live in some place let them be but not on our expense. Was WWII a worthy cause for the French? yes they restored their lands back from the oppressive Nazi regime. Did they need help? for sure there were the allies. Did other allies think that it is a worthy cause? Yes, they removed the Nazi regime from the face of the world. Was Germany an established country back then? yes as much as Israel right now!
Alright, I can see that the balance of powers is actually equal in WWII case but I also can see how Arab countries have optimum potential (human, resources and minds). Had we not occupied the top 20 corrupted countries, things would've been different. After all, Israel is backed from the world's biggest power.
Of course, WWII resulted in two Germanies but our war aims to no Israels. Jews lived in our lands for centuries after centuries and they were treated as human beings let them live around but they should never rule us in our lands.
Israel should never have existed if the British and French mandates did not part us in defined borders which only gave us these conflicts we see these days. What I mean to say is, Palestine is a part of my land as much as Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia are. Can we throw Israel into the sea? Is it worth it as a cause? Well, all people deserve to live and if Jews want to live in some place let them be but not on our expense. Was WWII a worthy cause for the French? yes they restored their lands back from the oppressive Nazi regime. Did they need help? for sure there were the allies. Did other allies think that it is a worthy cause? Yes, they removed the Nazi regime from the face of the world. Was Germany an established country back then? yes as much as Israel right now!
Alright, I can see that the balance of powers is actually equal in WWII case but I also can see how Arab countries have optimum potential (human, resources and minds). Had we not occupied the top 20 corrupted countries, things would've been different. After all, Israel is backed from the world's biggest power.
Of course, WWII resulted in two Germanies but our war aims to no Israels. Jews lived in our lands for centuries after centuries and they were treated as human beings let them live around but they should never rule us in our lands.
Are you telling me that Arabs in general want to be united in the same country? Then why doesn't that just happen? If that's the majority will in all Arab states? Surely if you had a democracy then you could make it happen. So why don't you do something? Why doesn't anyone?
You always have to be skeptical of people who tell you that they really want to do something but noone seems to be doing anything about it, don't you think?
Anyway, back to the core issue. I've thought about this question at various times in my life and I've never really been able to formulate a satisfying answer. My feeling is if my country was under threat (which tbh is only a stroke of good luck that it's not, seeing as for past centuries Poland has been at war all the time) I'd do like those scientists in Germany in the 1930s and emigrate. I see no point in getting myself caught in the cross fire of greedy rich men who thirst for power. It's the general who gives the order, but it's the farmer who does the fighting. The farmer is a pawn, he never wanted to be in a war. Seems to me the best thing you can do for yourself is find a new place to live.
Don't go away btw, it's very nice talking to you.
You always have to be skeptical of people who tell you that they really want to do something but noone seems to be doing anything about it, don't you think?
Anyway, back to the core issue. I've thought about this question at various times in my life and I've never really been able to formulate a satisfying answer. My feeling is if my country was under threat (which tbh is only a stroke of good luck that it's not, seeing as for past centuries Poland has been at war all the time) I'd do like those scientists in Germany in the 1930s and emigrate. I see no point in getting myself caught in the cross fire of greedy rich men who thirst for power. It's the general who gives the order, but it's the farmer who does the fighting. The farmer is a pawn, he never wanted to be in a war. Seems to me the best thing you can do for yourself is find a new place to live.
Don't go away btw, it's very nice talking to you.
That's the point, I'm afraid there is no democracy. Plus, I'm sorry to say it and I'm sure my Arab posters agree with me but Arabs in this new age are a bit, let's not say stupid but a bit behind to think about an Arab unification. The main reasons for it is because of lack of education and corrupted governments.
Edit: If some leader came up and vowed for a revolution in all the Arab states for one independent state, they would all laugh at him. Then we are back to square one re-thinking what went wrong along the way.
Edit: If some leader came up and vowed for a revolution in all the Arab states for one independent state, they would all laugh at him. Then we are back to square one re-thinking what went wrong along the way.
I doubt it. When I meant by behind, I meant it politically. Of course the people want unification, but they lack the right man with charisma, intelligence, influence and somewhat a tactician. Something which Europe was fond of making.
There are also the Arab governments which would not allow that to happen anyway because they want to stay in power and they love their greed.
There are also the Arab governments which would not allow that to happen anyway because they want to stay in power and they love their greed.
I don't expect you to understand this but Im gonna give it a try anyway, I have close relatives in Jineen and in Nablus and some in Khalil too. I almost lost 5 of those in the last decade, why you may ask...simply because they live in a regain that is either witnessing a war crime or that have some clashes with those zionists so called "civilians" who are armed like a damn army.
I've been to Palestine 3 times in my life and I've somewhat witnessed some of the injustice that our people face there, just imagine if you're a 10 year old kid having to watch both your uncle and your dad get undressed in a hole and having to stay there for 2 hours just for a dog to come snifing them afterwards to make sure that no weapons or bombs are within his clothes..That was simply a shock for me.
2 of my relatives used to work with Fateh (shohada' al aqsa) when the zionist seiged Jneen, both of them died defending civilian people in a school from gettin run by tanks.their own mother died before then on a road block in the 90s just for being in the wrong place in the wrong time and that is sitting inside her house garden that is beside a street while a "wanted" man was driving his car, so she had to be another honest casualty.
So if you think that being outside your country means that you have no right to speak and feel like one then with all due respect Hoori, you have no idea what loving your country is about.
I've been to Palestine 3 times in my life and I've somewhat witnessed some of the injustice that our people face there, just imagine if you're a 10 year old kid having to watch both your uncle and your dad get undressed in a hole and having to stay there for 2 hours just for a dog to come snifing them afterwards to make sure that no weapons or bombs are within his clothes..That was simply a shock for me.
2 of my relatives used to work with Fateh (shohada' al aqsa) when the zionist seiged Jneen, both of them died defending civilian people in a school from gettin run by tanks.their own mother died before then on a road block in the 90s just for being in the wrong place in the wrong time and that is sitting inside her house garden that is beside a street while a "wanted" man was driving his car, so she had to be another honest casualty.
So if you think that being outside your country means that you have no right to speak and feel like one then with all due respect Hoori, you have no idea what loving your country is about.