Israeli-Palestinian conflict (62 Viewers)

[Enron]

I don't really care if the "international community" calls it genocide or a game or whatever. They should have stopped it, but they didn't because it was their spoiled kid that was playing there.

There is no doubt that it should be stopped. I don't think anyone here wishes for it to continue.

But I think people do not realize the power and seriousness of words like terrorist and genocide. Especially on this forum. Those words are very specific.

 

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[ReBeL]

I think many Arabs think that the Jews are allowed to do these massacres because of the holocaust. You know, the West owes the Jews at least this much.

That is totally right. European politicians are so coward to say something against Israeli massacres now because they don't want to be accused of being Anti-Semitic. This fear was spread all over Europe by Zionist media to make them keep silent about Zionist doings in Palestine. And nobody can deny that.

 

[Enron]

The word should be used for true terrorists I believe.

Sure, if you're going to call someone a terrorist, it is probably right that they actually be one. Here in lies the problem.

What do you consider a "true terrorist"? Is it the righteousness of a cause that defines whether someone is terrorist or freedom fighter? Or is it something else? And in that case what is righteous? Which causes are better than the others?

 

[Enron]

It depends on how you see it, but I myself wouldn't call it a genocide, no. But you could argue it was. At a certain point were a lot of killings and they did happen with the intent to break them.

True. I think time frame probably plays into it as well. But who is to say what the statute of limitations on a genocide is?

 

[Bjerknes]

It's not about some authority stating it. It's difficult to understand whether or not there was the intent to destroy a people and how exactly it was done. A genocide requires a plan. That's what was decided in the Yugoslavia case anyway (Alen can correct me on this one though, it's just one of the cases I've read now that I'm studying law).

Israel has a plan, named Operation Cast Lead, which called for attacking Palestinian sites EVEN WHILE THEY WERE NEGOTIATING A CEASE FIRE. They have a plan, and the numbers speak for themselves.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11521

 

[ReBeL]

If you count the Indians, yes. What you could claim though is that the USA, like Belgium, are guilty for allowing genocide to happen.

I love how you put a gay country like Belgium during speaking about World politics although everybody knows it doesn't have any impact on anything.

 

[Enron]

Israel has a plan, named Operation Cast Lead, which called for attacking Palestinian sites EVEN WHILE THEY WERE NEGOTIATING A CEASE FIRE. They have a plan, and the numbers speak for themselves.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11521

Yes people do tend to plan invasions, they aren't generally spur of the moment initiatives. Planning an invasion during a cease fire is probably cheating on some level. All the article speaks of is the planning behind the invasion, but doesn't even mention the idea of a systematic killing.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I love how you put a gay country like Belgium during speaking about World politics although everybody knows it doesn't have any impact on anything.

just like palestine or any other arab country sans oil

 

[Dostoevsky]

Rebel are you just trying to provoke Seven just so he gets banned later?

 

[Enron]

I love how you put a gay country like Belgium during speaking about World politics although everybody knows it doesn't have any impact on anything.

Why is Belgium all of the sudden "gay". Is it the illicit relationship it once had with France?

 

[Bjerknes]

There is no doubt that it should be stopped. I don't think anyone here wishes for it to continue.

But I think people do not realize the power and seriousness of words like terrorist and genocide. Especially on this forum. Those words are very specific.

If that is aimed at me, I think a terrorist constitutes someone who invokes terror into people, whether it be through lethal force or through even threatening something like unfair incarceration. It doesn't matter whether it's the government or some lobbyist group who does it.

So therefore, any entity can be a terrorist. Paulson came to the House before the big drop in the stock market in October threatening martial law if the banker bailout was not passed. This has been reported in mainstream news. That is terrorism itself.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Because if so,it's really childlish.

 

[ReBeL]

As for Andries, you guys disagree with his posts and see them as anti-Islam even before reading them.

No, we read them and note his bias not only in this thread.

 

[Enron]

If that is aimed at me, I think a terrorist constitutes someone who invokes terror into people, whether it be through lethal force or through even threatening something like unfair incarceration. It doesn't matter whether it's the government or some lobbyist group who does it.

So therefore, any entity can be a terrorist. Paulson came to the House before the big drop in the stock market in October threatening martial law if the banker bailout was not passed. This has been reported in mainstream news. That is terrorism itself.

Exactly.

 

[Enron]

No, we read them and note his bias not only in this thread.

Well if it helps, he doesn't like my religion either.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes people do tend to plan invasions, they aren't generally spur of the moment initiatives. Planning an invasion during a cease fire is probably cheating on some level. All the article speaks of is the planning behind the invasion, but doesn't even mention the idea of a systematic killing.

OK, so this isn't a genocide then.

That must mean it's just an unfortunate mistake that so many innocent people have died, which is why Israeli spokesmen always claim, "we are sorry for the innocent loss of life."

I guess this is why it will continue, too.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

It was a white power site that also advocates the extermination of Muslims.

good for you
keep repeating your self for another 42 times and then i will come back to u

maybe not

 

[Bjerknes]

Exactly.

So then what's wrong with saying the IDF is a terrorist organization?

 

[ReBeL]

Yes people do tend to plan invasions, they aren't generally spur of the moment initiatives. Planning an invasion during a cease fire is probably cheating on some level. All the article speaks of is the planning behind the invasion, but doesn't even mention the idea of a systematic killing.

If you want the initial plan for systematic killing, read the books of early Zionists. Theodor Hertzl for example.

 

[tibike]

That is totally right. European politicians are so coward to say something against Israeli massacres now because they don't want to be accused of being Anti-Semitic. This fear was spread all over Europe by Zionist media to make them keep silent about Zionist doings in Palestine. And nobody can deny that.

Wrong, European politicans are afraid to say anything against ANY minority, be it Jews, Muslims, Gypsies, anyone. We call it "politically correct" while in fact, if you say something against a minority, chances are you will be labeled as a racist, and that's where the fear comes from, and not Zionism.