Israeli-Palestinian conflict (66 Viewers)

[tibike]

i am sure the neo-nazism is illegal here as well. just that a democracy would work just fine with parties that represent a separatist minority

True.

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

fred, yeah, if the party we are taking about is hamas, who are idiots. what i am trying still to figure out is if they are bigger idiots than israel

 

[Fred]

yeah, if the party we are taking about is hamas, who are idiots

And who are you to decide that. So why don't we just overthrow Bush while we're at it, half the world thinks he and his republican party are war mongering idiots as well.

Double standards is what i call it.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

in a nut shell, socialist nationalistic sentiment in germany rose after the failings and humiliation following world war I, internally as not everyone was behind the war effort, especially the jewish community which after the balfour declaration chose religious allegiance over national. Hitler used this among other things to rally the german people, in his speech it's pretty clear that he wanted no interference from those same forces once again. But nowhere was it mentioned that something as radical as a holocaust would take place one can argue that nazis didnt have a a clear "exit strategy" for the jewish problem; on one hand they wanted to rid germany of all forces that wouldnt align with the system on the other they cant quite reeducate them so they decided to move them to madagascar using british navy(britain was on the brink of armistice when the resolution was passed in the budestag) as that didnt happen and more important things were facing nazi germany the less cumbersome solution was picked. Point is Nazisn and Zionism are ideologically very similar, there are many documents of contact and alliance brokering between the 2 both before and after the war had started. not to mention both had the same exact purpose: drive jews out of Germany. So it's very plausible that facilitation was provided on the part of the zionist or as a catalyst to convince those well off jews to move to israel.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

you said somewhere in the beginning you dont know much about the subject, i think your ignorance has outstayed its welcome around here

I think it is a question that still needs answering.

Does it really make a difference? Palestinians still would have elected Hamas and the international community would then decide that Hamas is a terrorist organization and that its not legit. So much for the much advocated democracy.

So then the Israelis still would have elected their government and not the Muslim one?

You can only draw a parallel here if Palestinians allowed a Jewish party in their country.

 

[Fred]

fred, yeah, if the party we are taking about is hamas, who are idiots. what i am trying still to figure out is if they are bigger idiots than israel

Such a dilemma, i mean ya Israel killed more than 800 people. A large percentage of them whom are civilians but Hamas is a terrorist organization, isnt it?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

And who are you to decide that. So why don't we just overthrow Bush while we're at it, half the world thinks he and his republican party are war mongering idiots as well.

Double standards is what i call it.

But he's not American or living in America.

I'd be all for it if he wasn't out in 8 days.

 

[Fred]

I think it is a question that still needs answering.


So then the Israelis still would have elected their government and not the Muslim one?

You can only draw a parallel here if Palestinians allowed a Jewish party in their country.

Since we're talking about electing governments. The Palestinians elected Hamas as their government, why dont you think about that?

 

[Enron]

And who are you to decide that. So why don't we just overthrow Bush while we're at it, half the world thinks he and his republican party are war mongering idiots as well.

Double standards is what i call it.

We did.

 

[Fred]

But he's not American or living in America.

I'd be all for it if he wasn't out in 8 days.

You would huh? Would you be willing to give up more than 800 people as a price?

We did.

You know what i meant.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Such a dilemma, i mean ya Israel killed more than 800 people. A large percentage of them whom are civilians but Hamas is a terrorist organization, isnt it?

it looks to me like israel is the same

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

the double standard is mainly because of the nice weapons that israel left. clearly the UN should stop it and they should back up their resolutions with use of force. you know it's not going to happen

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Since we're talking about electing governments. The Palestinians elected Hamas as their government, why dont you think about that?

I did, and it was stupid, just as electing Bush was.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You would huh? Would you be willing to give up more than 800 people as a price?



You know what i meant.

We already did.

In a stupid war.

 

[Enron]

You would huh? Would you be willing to give up more than 800 people as a price?



You know what i meant.

I do, but you have to remember that US Democracy comes with automatic politician recycling. So the two may not be comparable.

 

[Fred]

I did, and it was stupid, just as electing Bush was.

Nobody overthrew Bush, did they? He was elected and served his election period, Hamas didn't. Big difference.

We already did.

In a stupid war.

And how many Iraqi lives were lost in that so called "stupid war" ?

Just trying to point out that Hamas are no more a terrorist organization than the US government or the Israeil government

 

[Ahmed]

You can only draw a parallel here if Palestinians allowed a Jewish party in their country.

no you can only draw a parallel when a Jewish party was to be banned in Palestine...as far as I know there isn't one in Palestine

 

[Enron]

Just trying to point out that Hamas are no more a terrorist organization than the US government or the Israeil government

Everyone is somebody's terrorist.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Check the new poll, obviously don't choose the question as a choice.

 

[Fred]

Everyone is somebody's terrorist.

So the US government didn't kill thousands of innocent Afghans, Iraqi's and Vietnamese?

But Hamas is the terrorist organization.