Israeli-Palestinian conflict (54 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

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CheSchifo!

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2009
642
Telling the truth is not a hate message to anyone

Its obvious from the Israeli kids writing on the rockets who is sending the hate messages and showing the real face of Zionist and their way of thinking toward the Arabs

OHHHHHHHH I forgot ............ its not a big deal in your Zionist's dictionary

What is the big deal in your opinion?

If not writing a hate messages on a rockets by an innocent kids

If not killing more than 800 most of them were kids and woman
If not using forbidden weapons (phosphoric) just released from the Americana's military laboratory and shipped directly to Tel Aviv
If not targeting the Medical staffs in purpose
If not targeting the press individuals
If not putting more than million PPL of Gaza under siege for more than 7 months
no medicine, no food , no fuel
If not occupying Palastine, aljolan and south Lebanon for more than 40 years


what is the big deal then?
I never said one of those things. Not one. I find it very annoying that you put words in my mouth. And it's not about proving that Israel's guilty of misconduct. I have already said they are.

But so are you.
 

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CheSchifo!

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2009
642
And how many Israeli's mother lost her son in this conflict?

One Palestinian mother lost 5 of her kids few days ago

On the other hand
Israel, USA and European are talking about 2 Israeli soldiers caught by Hamas as POW , calling this as a Terrorist action


While there are more than 11000 Palestinians in the Israeli prisons
most of them kids and women and some of palestinian officials
and know one is talking about them

In addition to that
How do you expect to have peace with Palestinians when one and most important Israeli's condition is to do not allow the Palestinian Refugees from returning to their homeland?
Do you live anywhere near Europe? Have you ever seen a news report on a European news channel? European media are not trying to justify the Israeli violence.
 

Il Re

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Jan 13, 2005
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/12/gaza-israelandthepalestinians

Thousands of Jews rally against HamasAudrey Gillan guardian.co.uk, Monday 12 January 2009 00.06 GMT Article historyThe sign taped to the front of 10-month-old Ezra Wiesenberg read: "The IDF don't hide behind me! Stop Hamas abuse of children shields." Strapped to his mother Ann's chest, Ezra and his family had travelled with thousands of other Jews to London's to Trafalgar Square in London yesterday for a pro-Israeli rally calling for peace in the Middle East but also supporting the Israeli government's actions in Gaza.

Across the street, behind a cordon, the Rabbi Avraham Greenberg took his Israeli passport from its plastic wallet and slowly set it on fire with a gas lighter until its ashes floated around him. He explained to the small crowd on the pavement that he had been born in the state of Israel but he was ashamed to hold a passport from that country. He stood with more than a dozen Orthodox rabbis who joined in chants of "Judaism here to stay, Zionism no way".

But many more thousands of Jews attended in support of the rally rather than opposing it, waving Israeli flags and placards saying End Hamas Terror and wearing Stars of David on their faces.

Henry Grunwald, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, told the crowd, which was estimated at 15,000 by the organisers: "We are the people who want peace and who want life for Israel." The chief rabbi, Sir Jonathan Sacks, gave a message to Hamas: "Stop wanting Israel to die, start wanting your children to live. Why, Hamas, do you hold in contempt, not only Israeli lives but Palestinian lives?"

To applause, Ron Prosor, the Israeli ambassador to the UK, said: "The age of terrorism must be brought to a close so that together we can build an age of peace. Our soldiers are doing their duty with honour, dignity and sacrifice."

Listening to the speeches, Myer Malin, an 85-year-old Normandy veteran from Pinner in London, stood wearing his own medals and those of his father, who fought in the first world war. "I have come in support of Israel because they are under attack by Hamas and they have been unfairly represented in the press and media generally. Hamas provoked a war quite deliberately, the way they seized power in Gaza is comparable to the way Hitler seized power in Germany – they got themselves in a good position with the welfare service and promptly evicted the opposition.

"In this case, I think there is no such thing as disproportion, if you have got a war to fight then you fight."

Tania Schwartz, from north London, was furious and wanted to know where the media had been "for the last eight years when the rockets have been landing in Israel". She shouted: "Do you know that kids there wet the bed from fear? The moment the rockets stop, the Israeli soldiers will stop, they are desperate to get out of there and get home. But if it doesn't stop, the next time it will be Tel Aviv and Israel will be extinct."

Standing nearby, David Fordham, 49, from Hatch End, said his reasons for coming were very much different to those of Schwartz. "Some of us are here not because of Israel, but because we are concerned for our Jewish kids on the street, because there are Muslim kids who think if they beat up a Jewish kid or smash up a Jewish shop they are striking a blow for Kashmir or Palestine. People are shouting deaths to Jews and running amok in Golders Green. We are saying " Jews cannot get pushed around in this country". I have got kids at university and I am really concerned for them."

As the crowd around the square's frozen fountains sang the British and Israeli national anthems, Ann Wiesenberg, originally from New York, said of the protest sign on her baby son: "We feel that very often Hamas is actually putting children in front of them. We are highlighting the point that the IDF don't hide behind ci©vilians. They are putting their own soldiers at risk so as to kill as few civilians as possible."

Her husband, Andrew, said: "Hamas terrorism is like a cancer really – unfortunately. When you treat cancer you kill some of the innocent blood cells. We regret any loss of human life. The cancer analogy is very important – you don't stop before you finish the course of treatment, otherwise it will come back stronger."

As he spoke, a well-dressed middle-aged woman walked past – clearly not having planned to attend the rally – and shouted: "Shame on you Israel."The crowd, marshalled by hundreds of officials from the Community Security Trust, the organisation in charge of security for Britain's Jews and their institutions, as well as by the Metropolitan police, mostly dispersed after an hour, though a die-hard bunch lingered to exchange shouts across the barricades with the counter demonstrators. They pushed at the fluorescent yellow line of police officers that held them in as a speaker with a megaphone said: "now you know what it is like to be squeezed into a small piece of land and pushed by an oppressor".


©The rally followed a large protest against the military action in Gaza in London on Saturday, during which violent clashes broke out.
 

CheSchifo!

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2009
642
Israel have indeed been unfairly represented and there is far more to the argument than people want to believe, but claiming that there is no such thing as proportional violence is insane. One has the right to defend himself, but Israel are obviously overreacting.
 

CheSchifo!

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2009
642
Another thing that is absolute bullshit and very annoying is the idea that, just because of the principles on democracy, Israel should simply accept Hamas. Hitler had the support of the people too. Doesn't mean we should accept WWII.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Another thing that is absolute bullshit and very annoying is the idea that, just because of the principles on democracy, Israel should simply accept Hamas. Hitler had the support of the people too. Doesn't mean we should accept WWII.
    And who are you to tell Palestinian people who the best representatives for them are?

    Try not to hide your head from seeing this post too.
     

    Il Re

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    Jan 13, 2005
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    Another thing that is absolute bullshit and very annoying is the idea that, just because of the principles on democracy, Israel should simply accept Hamas. Hitler had the support of the people too. Doesn't mean we should accept WWII.
    hi seven

    the notion for israel to have to accept hamas is bullshit, but palestine should just accept israel?
     

    Snoop

    Sabet is a nasty virgin
    Oct 2, 2001
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    That's sad, but isn't exactly a crime. I don't see why this is the slightest bit relevant to the situation. People have always written stuff on bombs and rockets. Don't make such a big deal out of it, it's not one of the real problems.
    that's a big deal, it shows how racists they are, and how the kids are being taught to hate Arabs and others. That is a big problem!
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    ßüякε;1861519 said:
    So it is okay if Palestinians elect a "Nazi-esque" government?

    Because that is what he is saying, Hitler was democratically elected, do you think he did a good job, BROSKI?
    Hitler or Nazis weren't worse than Zionism. Only difference is Nazis were more powerful and they killed whoever they wanted. Israel would gladly kill every muslim in the world if they had the power to do it.
     

    CheSchifo!

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    Jan 11, 2009
    642
    Hitler or Nazis weren't worse than Zionism. Only difference is Nazis were more powerful and they killed whoever they wanted. Israel would gladly kill every muslim in the world if they had the power to do it.
    The Nazis didn't kill whoever they wanted to kill. They lost. In 1945. Someone really should have told you by now. Oh, and the Nazis actually were worse. It's not even close. Also, I wasn't comparing Israel with Nazi Germany :). It's the other party I'm talking about.

    The second statement is ridiculous and spreads hate. I also don't know why you would consider it evil of them to think so, as you would gladly have every Israeli killed. Same bloody thing.

    If you're really, really, really objective in this one, the discours put forward by the two parties is amazing:

    Israel: Hamas threatens us, we want all Hamas members gone.

    Hamas (the legitimate government of Palestina): we want Israel to disappear.

    This means that Israelis say they want to kill some Palestinians, while the Palestinians say they want all Israelis gone. Regardless of what is actually happening, the difference in discours makes me wonder.
     

    CheSchifo!

    Senior Member
    Jan 11, 2009
    642
    that's a big deal, it shows how racists they are, and how the kids are being taught to hate Arabs and others. That is a big problem!
    It doesn't show how racist they are. It shows they hate people. It's sad, because they teach them how to hate so it seems, but it is irrelevant because writing a message on a rocket is hardly a crime. Worse things are going on and these pictures, which aren't even from recent months, are just being used for their drama value. Very poor form.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
    19,444
    The Nazis didn't kill whoever they wanted to kill. They lost. In 1945. Someone really should have told you by now. Oh, and the Nazis actually were worse. It's not even close.

    The second statement is ridiculous and spreads hate. I also don't know why you would consider it evil of them to think so, as you would gladly have every Israeli killed. Same bloody thing.

    If you're really, really, really objective in this one, the discours put forward by the two parties is amazing:

    Israel: Hamas threatens us, we want all Hamas members gone.

    Hamas (the legitimate government of Palestina): we want Israel to disappear.

    This means that Israelis say they want to kill some Palestinians, while the Palestinians say they want all Israelis gone. Regardless of what is actually happening, the difference in discours makes me wonder.
    thanks for historical correction.they lost in 1945?maybe but fear of nazis is still living on people's heart.whatever, this isn't case.

    When they came and started to kill Palestinians and occupying their lands they have accepted consequences.They shouldn't moan about it.
     

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