Israeli-Palestinian conflict (59 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Take your meds Juve_Fanatic.



Really? You know better, but I'm suprised someone can be so left, and be so pro Bush politics in basically everything, and have more republicans then democrats happy about his appointment, because he is "repping" their type of policies as I read. This nice viewing doesnt give me the impression he is as left as get?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wob2RGMSjtk

I know Us politics lefties can be seen as right wing conservatives if they were Europeans, but seriously, if this guy is a lefty, I dont want to meet any of your true right wingers :D

And yeah, not undermining how bad it is how unashamedly pro Israel agenda he seems to be, I mean, for FFS, going off to serve with IDF? Seriously? But I dont see it as a major change, because sadly enough, the grip the Israel lobby has on your politics is very firm, regardless of this guy was appointed or not. Doesnt change that much in terms of real politiks.
the distinction being foreign policy as opposed to domestic
 

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Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Tens of people are injured before afew minutes in Amman/ Jordan while trying to enter the Zionist embassy. The Jordanian police is doing their job better than the IDF.
My heart goes out to you and your people in Palestine affected by this massacre of innocence. This truly is disgusting. All these poor innocent people have to suffer, FOR WHAT?!?, War sickens me.

I just hope someone or something can put an end to all this violence.I hope those Jews feel big and mighty slaughtering innocent children!
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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the distinction being foreign policy as opposed to domestic
Ahhh....vital distinction :D (and quite conflicting one...) But alas, the former being very important either way, if you have warmongering GOP policies when you are a lefty domestically. But is he a big lefty when he is supposed to be in some centerist group of the democracts? (DMC, americans love their abbreviations) Who's aim is to bring the party from the left to the center?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,840
Ahhh....vital distinction :D (and quite conflicting one...) But alas, the former being very important either way, if you have warmongering GOP policies when you are a lefty domestically. But is he a big lefty when he is supposed to be in some centerist group of the democracts? (DMC, americans love their abbreviations) Who's aim is to bring the party from the left to the center?


i think you mean NDC, and that doesnt mean much, if you look up his record everything he's done was serving one way or the other israeli interest even domestically
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,178
That shouldn't be a surprise to anybody considering his father. It's "so shocking" to some that his father is a terrorist. Too bad for us.
 

richo123

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Mar 30, 2005
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Why Israel is Attacking Gaza Now: “They Want It To Be Over Before The Next Administration Comes In”
George Washington Blog
Thursday, January 1, 2009
Israeli’s leading paper, Ha’aretz, writes:
Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas. According to the sources, Barak maintained that although the lull would allow Hamas to prepare for a showdown with Israel, the Israeli army needed time to prepare, as well.

:shocked: The "innocent" Israelis wouldn't do something like that, would they? :shocked:
I think Israel planned this to perfection.Bcos of the vaccum in power in the U.S ,both Obama n Bush dont have to take any stand against Israel.
Thou i doubt any u.s president has the guts to speak up to Israel
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Death toll:

    457 Killed
    2300 Injured

    My heart goes out to you and your people in Palestine affected by this massacre of innocence. This truly is disgusting. All these poor innocent people have to suffer, FOR WHAT?!?, War sickens me.

    I just hope someone or something can put an end to all this violence.I hope those Jews feel big and mighty slaughtering innocent children!
    Thanks for your kind feelings, mate.

    Whenever I watch this girl, I remember my sister when she was so young training on this poem to say it in front of her school.

    Thanks, Ze.
     

    Ahmed

    Principino
    Sep 3, 2006
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    I was interested in learning why the Orthodox Jews are also so very against Zionism...they say their actions and sayings are blasphemy and totally against Jewish teachings and the Jewish faith...can anybody gimme a link or an explanation to why that is? Thanks in advance
     

    Alen

    Ѕenior Аdmin
    Apr 2, 2007
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    That is an indication of what they saw of massacres during their short lives.
    I know, that's why it's sad.
    I was only 12 when the war started in Croatia. Kids from my generation and the following generations grew up singing these songs and learning how to hate.
    I know how this girl feels and i'm aware of the implications these happenings and these teachings will have on her future.
    Like i said, it's sad.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
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    I was interested in learning why the Orthodox Jews are also so very against Zionism...they say their actions and sayings are blasphemy and totally against Jewish teachings and the Jewish faith...can anybody gimme a link or an explanation to why that is? Thanks in advance
    Opposition to the modern Zionist movement on the part of important segments of orthodox Rabbinic leadership is as old as the Zionist movement itself. Some orthodox quarters nowadays may not feel very comfortable about it, but it is a fact that while some segments of Orthodoxy supported Zionism from the first, some outstanding Rabbinic personalities ranked foremost among the opponents of Zionism from its inception, and this opposition was
    shared throughout the Jewish world, across the boundaries of Chasidim, Misnagdim, etc. - Rabbi Chaim of Brisk, the Lubavitcher rebbes, the Rabbinic and Chasidic leaders of Poland, Galicia and Hungary, the rabbis of German Orthodoxy were all equally opposed to Zionism from its very beginning.

    This opposition was voiced in various styles and versions, varying according to individual and local background. They all regarded the philosophy of Zionism as diametrically opposed to the most basic principles of Judaism. This author has made an attempt elsewhere* at analyzing this ideology in detail. Space does not permit more than a brief summary of its principles here:

    Secular Zionism or Jewish Nationalism represents an attempt at transforming the Jewish people to a new identity, to “a nation among the nations” instead of “the Chosen People” of G-d. Hence, all the basic definitions become forcibly molded into the pattern of non-Jewish nationalism. Torah, the soul, the raison deter, the condition sine qua non for the existence of the Jewish people, nay of the entire world becomes a “religion” which, under modern concepts, is the private domain of each individual. Eretz Israel, the Holy Land, becomes the “national home”, and the State or - in former years - the striving to achieve the “Judenstaat”, is also part of the general trend of secularization and transformation of the hallowed idea of Messianic redemption. This trend, therefore, is seen as diametrically opposed to Torah, hence the fierce objection to Zionism. No one denies that there have been other orthodox Jews who - with more or less justification - held different views and some even regarded Zionism - and later the State of Israel - as “the dawn of the Messianic era.” It is not the intention here to go into that controversy, but it remains a fact that there has always been an orthodox anti-Zionist view, and that such views have been adhered to by very outstanding Rabbinic leaders.

    When the State of Israel came into being, very few among these high-ranking orthodox leaders, if any, changed their views. The State of Israel being the realization, the implementation of Zionism, there could be very little done to change the objection in principle. Neither did the reality of the State warrant any such change of view or disprove the original negative attitude towards Zionism. There could, in the view of this trend, be only a question of what tactics should be applied, in light of the fact that what had formerly been an organization built on voluntary membership has now become a State with means of law-enforcement, etc.

    On the other hand, it is a fact that very few among these Rabbinic leaders have spoken up for their own view since the inception of the State of Israel. Whether the reason was a lack of courage, a fear of the loss of funds for the institutions led by them, or otherwise - the fact remains. This has created the erroneous belief among the masses of Jews that non-Zionism on the orthodox side is confined to a small sect of fanatics. To put it very mildly and carefully, non-Zionism in Orthodoxy is still a quite powerful trend with a considerable following, although there may be differences of opinion as to the practical steps to be taken in demonstrating that view. This, in general outlines, is the world-picture of which Neturei Karta, basically, constitutes a local cell.

    http://theantizionistjew.wordpress.com/tag/neturei-karta/
     
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    ReBeL

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    I know, that's why it's sad.
    I was only 12 when the war started in Croatia. Kids from my generation and the following generations grew up singing these songs and learning how to hate.
    I know how this girl feels and i'm aware of the implications these happenings and these teachings will have on her future.
    Like i said, it's sad.
    I agree. Children have no place to play with toys or do any normal activities that a child at their age would do. They have nothing but following news and seeing their friends dying in the same neighborhood.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    By the way, a group of Norwegian doctors has arrived to Gaza hospitals to help in treating the injured people over there.

    Thank you, Norway.
     

    jukazem

    Senior Member
    Feb 10, 2007
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    I was interested in learning why the Orthodox Jews are also so very against Zionism...they say their actions and sayings are blasphemy and totally against Jewish teachings and the Jewish faith...can anybody gimme a link or an explanation to why that is? Thanks in advance
    Geez! I didn't even know that the Jews and the Zionists were different. I still don't know what Semitism is, as in the difference between Jews and Semitic.

    <<http://[B]nkuk.org[/B]>> - That website helped my understanding to some extent and I believe the info in that website is relevant to the debate here.
    That was rude man. You not only killed my post but also ignored the link and later asked for it from someone else.
     

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