Israeli-Palestinian conflict (46 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Jul 2, 2006
18,875
We need the context.
By antisemites he can mean countries who were antisemitic in the past, who expelled jews in the past, but will now help the jews. Countries like England for example.
Maybe he meant that countries where Jews lived, and who were antisemitic, like Soviet Union etc, will help the Jews to create a country in order to get rid of the Jews who live there.

at the end, Theodor Herzl(founder of zionism) has become biggest flag bearer of antisemitism and antisemitic nazies massacred jews.

zionist role in holocaust cannot be ignored,that's what i wanted to say.
 

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Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,644
That's a possibility and that's what turk implies. That's why i said we need the whole context, not just one sentence. So we could see what did he mean by antisemite nations.
No man, no way a DIRECT possiblilty. He just means that because of the Anti-Semites behaviour (at this time, newer countries were on the map), those other countries will feel sorry for the Jews and take them in and help them. Like how we felt sorry that such a holocaust happened to them. It's true cause everyone felt sorry for them. But To think that the Nazis and Zionism had some sort of agreement is beyond crazy.
 
Jul 2, 2006
18,875
you might want take a look at this

This behavior is to reinforce the claims of torture in order to portray the Jews as foreign to the people in the countries in which they lived, and thus nourish the idea of "enmity towards the Jews" in a way it needed most, and to accelerate migration. Here lies the motive for Herzl's efforts to strengthen hatred of Jews rather than fearing its expansion. In addition, there was no end to the warnings issued to him. Baron Johann von Chlumetzky, a prominent member of the Austrian Parliament, wrote to Herzl:

''You will be successful in this, if the goal of your tendencies and propaganda is to incite anti-Semitism. As a result of such propaganda, I am totally convinced that anti-Semitism will become an avalanche, and that you will lead your race towards slaughter.''
 
Jul 2, 2006
18,875
What year is this Turk ?
i don't know the exact year.he died in 1904 but his diaries were published in Germany in 1922-23.

here

Herzl tried to provoke anti-Semitism in another surprising manner, by adding passages to his diary that would lead anti-Semites to believe in the existence of a "Jewish conspiracy" and thus incite them against the Jews. Three volumes of Herzl's diaries were published in Germany in 1922 and 1923. Joseph Samuel Bloch, the Austrian writer and publisher of the newspaper Österreichische Wochenschrift, and who knew Herzl intimately, writes that the letters to Rothschild and to Baron Hirsch in these diaries, and the assertion that the Jews were potential rebels and revolutionaries in the countries where they resided, were enough to bring destruction on the Jewish people. Bloch goes on to state that Herzl has provided the enemies of the Jews with the basis for a solution of the Jewish problem, and shown them the path to follow in their future work. To this end, the diaries were a terrible document.
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,644
Relief boat to Gaza hit

(CNN) -- An Israeli patrol boat struck a boat carrying medical volunteers and supplies to Gaza early Tuesday as it attempted to intercept the vessel in the Mediterranean Sea, witnesses and Israeli officials said.


The damaged relief vessel Dignity arrives Tuesday in Tyre, Lebanon, after a collision with an Israeli patrol boat.

CNN Correspondent Karl Penhaul was aboard the 60-foot, Gibraltar-registered pleasure boat Dignity when the contact occurred. In a radio message, the Israelis accused the vessel of being involved in terrorist activity, its captain said.

The boat later docked in the Lebanese port city of Tyre.

The Dignity was carrying 16 passengers and crew who were trying to reach Gaza through an Israeli blockade of the territory. It was "very severely rammed" by an Israeli patrol boat that had been pursuing the volunteer boat for about half an hour before the collision. The crew said the vessel was struck intentionally, Penhaul said. Watch the chaos in Gaza and Israel »

But Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor called allegations that the vessel was deliberately rammed "absurd." He said the volunteer boat was trying to outmaneuver the Israeli vessel when it was struck.

"This is why the collision occurred," Palmor said. "There is no intention on the part of the Israeli navy to ram anybody."

The bows of the two vessels struck each other during the incident. He said the Dignity was not "weaving about" and continued on its course as at least two Israeli vessels maneuvered around it.

The incident occurred in international waters about 90 miles off Gaza. The Israelis ordered the vessel to turn back, and it headed to Lebanon after the collision.

The boat was carrying boxes of relief supplies, volunteers and journalists to Gaza, the Palestinian territory now subject to an intense Israeli bombing campaign. Among the passengers were physicians from Britain, Germany and Cyprus and several human rights activists, including former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney.

"I would call it ramming. Let's just call it as it is," McKinney said. "Our boat was rammed three times, twice in the front and once on the side.

"Our mission was a peaceful mission, but our mission was thwarted by the Israelis, the aggressiveness of the Israeli military."
Hamas has responded with volleys of rocket fire aimed at southern Israeli towns, which have left six Israelis dead -- five of them civilians.

Hamas has vowed to defend Gaza in the face of what it calls continued Israeli aggression. Each side blames the other for violating an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire, which formally expired December 19 but had been weakening for months.
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
one of the funniest things in this thread is when someone like the indian richo123 comes to you guys and try to convince u that kuwaitis hates palestinians and support israel and USA ..!!

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STOP THE HOLOCAUST SHIT ..

Holocaust talk won't end .. everyone has his own view on the subject .. that just shows how Holocaust is so mysterious !!

Although i totally agree with Turk_Bianconero .. and happy to see someone who shares this view with me ..
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
oh ya check his profile ..!!
was shocked by his comments .. went to check his public profile and found out that he's indian not kuwaiti :p
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
Hamas provokes, Israel overreacts. Hamas has the backing of the popular worldwide opinion until it pisses it away by specifically targeting civilians.

This shit is fucking sad. A viscous circle. There is no moral high ground for either side as far as I'm concerned.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,703
Seven was not comparing Jewish blood with Palestinian blood and he never implied that today's happenings are justified because of the holocaust.
He simply (rightfully) disagreed with Turk that the holocaust was a jewish conspiracy.
Don't know. They have their hands in so much dirt, especially the US banking system, that it should sound alarms. In the very least they are a bunch of terrorists, if that is the word of the age.
 

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