Israeli-Palestinian conflict (49 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
You can't be this dense.
You think that Iran announced the missiles because they don't want to hurt civilians?
Tell me you are not this dense and it's a joke.
Iran chose to issue a warning.

Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.

These are facts.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,351
Iran chose to issue a warning.

Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.

These are facts.
Your facts.
You know what would happen if they wouldn't ?
All out war with a nuclear power and the US
So spare me your dumb facts .
Somehow you manged to wash clean even Khamenei's regime, a feat not even the Iran's inhabitants would do.
What a upstanding guy that Khamenei guy.
The way he cares about Jewish women and children.:lol:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
Your facts.
You know what would happen if they wouldn't ?
All out war with a nuclear power and the US
So spare me your dumb facts .
Somehow you manged to wash clean even Khamenei's regime, a feat not even the Iran's inhabitants would do.
"If", "would", "wouldn't" - it's all hypothesis.

The facts are:

- Iran chose to issue a warning.
- Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.

You have not denied these facts.

Facts matter.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,351
"If", "would", "wouldn't" - it's all hypothesis.

The facts are:

- Iran chose to issue a warning.
- Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.

You have not denied these facts.

Facts matter.
Your facts .
Like your subhuman facts.

The pinnacle of a the western man everybody
One that licks khamenei ass cause he cares about Jewish women and children while sending 200 missiles at them:lol:

Aren't you the guy that championed the UN , while they have appointed an chairman Iranian to a human rights branch within the UN?
:lol:
If you are that explains a lot.
 
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
Your facts .
Like your subhuman facts.

The pinnacle of a the western man everybody
One that licks khamenei ass cause he cares about Jewish women and children while sending 200 missiles at them:lol:
Maybe, if the facts indicate that someone like Khamenei has more regard for morals and human life than you do, you should re-examine your behaviour.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
You are so out of touch with everything around you that I even feel bad for you.
Yes, you seem to be feeling a lot of things.

But don't let those feelings cloud the facts:

- Iran chose to issue a warning.
- Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,351
Yes, you seem to be feeling a lot of things.

But don't let those feelings cloud the facts:

- Iran chose to issue a warning.
- Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
Your facts.
If the firepower of the sides were reversed how many jews do you think would die?
The answer seems to make you uncomfortable.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
Your facts.
If the firepower of the sides were reversed how many jews do you think would die?
The answer seems to make you uncomfortable.
Iran has firepower.

Regardless, Iran chose to issue a warning.

Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
20,598
This is not a serious discussion. These are also facts:
1- current Iranian regime is a death cult. Them deciding on choosing Israel as their biggest enemy is deeply rooted in their religious beliefs. Israel did help Iran during Iran-Iraq war in 1980s. "Death to Israel" and "Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth" are not just empty slogans. See this for example: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-...ssile-with-death-to-israel-written-in-hebrew/
2- Israel, in turn, is another death cult. Them avenging October 7 by going on a killing rampage cannot be justified in any way.
3- Iranian regime is not backed by its people, but if Israel chooses to avenge the events of yesterday by significant damage to Iran's infrastructure that could rapidly change. Israel, on the other hand, is a democracy and chose to keep electing Netanyahu.
4- If you choose one side or the other without having any dog in the fight you should check your morals.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
But that’s also selective no? How about we compare civilians killed by direct or indirect involvement of Iran or Israel in past 20 years. Is that fair?

Of course its fair. Anyone can frame this however he want to support his narrative, that was the point I was making. Countries are shit, every country under threat, real or perceived will act "inhuman", there is no moral superiority between sides in a war and attempts like Sven's to establish one are frankly childish. Act are being done according to what possible and what you can get away with, we saw on October 7th what can happen if the tables were turned.

But to your question, if we take Iran funding, arms and training of Al-qaida, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Taliban, Hutties and involvement in the Syrian civil war into account then yeah Im willing to compare.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
This is not a serious discussion. These are also facts:
1- current Iranian regime is a death cult. Them deciding on choosing Israel as their biggest enemy is deeply rooted in their religious beliefs. Israel did help Iran during Iran-Iraq war in 1980s. "Death to Israel" and "Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth" are not just empty slogans. See this for example: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-...ssile-with-death-to-israel-written-in-hebrew/
2- Israel, in turn, is another death cult. Them avenging October 7 by going on a killing rampage cannot be justified in any way.
3- Iranian regime is not backed by its people, but if Israel chooses to avenge the events of yesterday by significant damage to Iran's infrastructure that could rapidly change. Israel, on the other hand, is a democracy and chose to keep electing Netanyahu.
4- If you choose one side or the other without having any dog in the fight you should check your morals.
This isn't about picking sides.

Israel, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all equally horrendous. I have zero affinity with the Iranian regime and if it were to end tomorrow the world would be a better place.

My point is that Israel does not have the moral high ground. They have done things fucking Iran deems unfathomable.

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Of course its fair. Anyone can frame this however he want to support his narrative, that was the point I was making. Countries are shit, every country under threat, real or perceived will act "inhuman", there is no moral superiority between sides in a war and attempts like Sven's to establish one are frankly childish. Act are being done according to what possible and what you can get away with, we saw on October 7th what can happen if the tables were turned.

But to your question, if we take Iran funding, arms and training of Al-qaida, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Taliban, Hutties and involvement in the Syrian civil war into account then yeah Im willing to compare.
This is precisely what Israel is doing and that is my point.

I understand your loyalty to your country and to your people. But there really can no longer be any excuse. It's hospital after hospital. School after school. Refugee camp after refugee camp. It's Gaza, it's the West Bank, it's Lebanon. At some point Israel have to be held accountable for their atrocities.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
20,598
Of course its fair. Anyone can frame this however he want to support his narrative, that was the point I was making. Countries are shit, every country under threat, real or perceived will act "inhuman", there is no moral superiority between sides in a war and attempts like Sven's to establish one are frankly childish. Act are being done according to what possible and what you can get away with, we saw on October 7th what can happen if the tables were turned.

But to your question, if we take Iran funding, arms and training of Al-qaida, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Taliban, Hutties and involvement in the Syrian civil war into account then yeah Im willing to compare.
Huh? Iran’s engagement with those 2 entities are limited to the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” doctrine. Shia rulers have deep issues with Sunni salafis.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,351
Now I understand seven's point.
He is goona spread ant Israel retoric(basically hate) everywhere , even if it means kissing khamenei's butt, because Israel has gotten away with too much. But he has morals, err I mean "facts" and that's what makes him a stand up person.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
32,209
Jun 16, 2020
12,226
Obviously Islamic State are extremist and not representative of ordinary Muslims, but they are still Muslims (the name was a dead giveaway for me) who massacred Christians, so what you said isn't true. I guess it's always extremists murdering people anyway, isn't it? Surely by default. You can't kill people based on religion, race, sexuality, etc and be considered a moderate. Maybe there are all sorts of discussions we could get into about the role of fringe organisations and individuals, sectarianism and good or bad Muslims and Christians really.
I think Egypt recently is a good example.

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Yes, you seem to be feeling a lot of things.

But don't let those feelings cloud the facts:

- Iran chose to issue a warning.
- Israel chose to bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
Here’s a nuance though on how to handle this when the enemy decides to use such places as head quarters or ammunition depots. And I mean this in a broad sense, not necessarily this war, because it happens.
 
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