Israeli-Palestinian conflict (31 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Jun 17, 2011
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Yeah seriously @Tomice . Not sure where you are but I hope for the best for you and your family.

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It was such a crippling and well-planned attack that I honestly thought that was the end of it for a while.

Imo, Israel are making it worse for themselves long-term by killing Nasrallah and now a ground invasion. It's just going to create a power vacuum and a vengeful population.
They should've just fucking left it at this. So fucking pointless, so fucking stupid. Now there's a potential for a global conflict and for what?

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I'm seeing reports of a mass shooting event in Tel Aviv as well.
 
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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Replies under that tweet :sergio:

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Netanyahu’s whole plan was to drag US into the war before the election, and he’s not going to miss this golden opportunity. I expect a very aggressive response possibly against nuclear targets.
 
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Israel actions in Lebanon are 100% justified imo, this was brewing for a decade now and came to a boil in the last year.

Im more then willing to debate Israeli justification or "behaviour" in the conflict in gaza but Lebanon issue is entirely different beast. No country would tolerate the situation in northern Israel.

Israel actions in lebanon are part of an alliance against the Iranian-russian-chinese axis, and are inevitable imo. You are entitled to pick whichever side you want or not pick any, but this need to be resolved either way.
This is a different argument, but it misses the point.

The issue was never that Israel defended itself. It's the extreme callousness towards the suffering of civilians in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.

It's the sort of callousness that really one only displays if he considers the other worthless. And that's precisely what this entire thing is about: Israel thinks of its neighbours as Untermenschen.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
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This is a different argument, but it misses the point.

The issue was never that Israel defended itself. It's the extreme callousness towards the suffering of civilians in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.

It's the sort of callousness that really one only displays if he considers the other worthless. And that's precisely what this entire thing is about: Israel thinks of its neighbours as Untermenschen.
The feeling is mutual , right?
Remeber " From the river to the sea!"!
The only problem is that one side is more advanced . If the tables were turned you think that the Palestinians wouldn't whipe out the jews from the face of the earth?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
38,963
The feeling is mutual , right?
Remeber " From the river to the sea!"!
The only problem is that one side is more advanced . If the tables were turned you think that the Palestinians wouldn't whipe out the jews from the face of the earth?
It's mutual between the Israeli government and Hamas and Hezbollah. I'm not convinced the average Palestinian or Israeli citizen shares the sentiment.

But even so the fact Hamas or Hezbollah aren't as powerful kind of makes it a moot point. Israel's killing of civilians vastly outnumbers whatever Hamas or Hezbollah have done at this point.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
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It's mutual between the Israeli government and Hamas and Hezbollah. I'm not convinced the average Palestinian or Israeli citizen shares the sentiment.

But even so the fact Hamas or Hezbollah aren't as powerful kind of makes it a moot point. Israel's killing of civilians vastly outnumbers whatever Hamas or Hezbollah have done at this point.
I find you excusing what 70% or 80% population support laughable.
Just look in this thread. There are 35% of former or present members that do not find Hamas a terrorist organization.
If I extrapolate the muslim members it's probably 80 - 90% that think they are some kind of "freedom fighters".
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I find you excusing what 70% or 80% population support laughable.
Just look in this thread. There are 35% of former or present members that do not find Hamas a terrorist organization.
If I extrapolate the muslim members it's probably 80 - 90% that think they are some kind of "freedom fighters".
I'm not excusing anything.

I am just saying that Israel clearly considers Palestinian and Lebanese civilians to be subhuman. Otherwise they wouldn't act the way they do.

You can point to Hamas or Hezbollah, but that doesn't change Israel's actions. Incidentally those actions will make the belief in Hamas as freedom fighters a lot stronger.
 

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