Israeli-Palestinian conflict (122 Viewers)

[Raz]

'cause the palestinian people needs the support of Europe and in time America if they want a peaceful two-state solution.

calling out for the destruction of israel, an islamic ideology and attack on civilians makes hamas impossible to support from a western perspective.

That's not it. Because wester support is not because of ideology but because of interests. Like for eg western support for israel.

 

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[Maddy]

That's not it. Because wester support is not because of ideology but because of interests. Like for eg western support for israel.

You are telling me that European countries (besides domestic opinion) has a political interest in supporting Israel?

And add to that most European countries supports a two-state solution.

 

[Raz]

EU? Heh, what does it matter what EU thinks, no one is doing shit here.

I think EU has had so much conflict and are just tired of it so they pussy out on everything.

 

[Osman]

 

[Maddy]

EU? Heh, what does it matter what EU thinks, no one is doing shit here.

I think EU has had so much conflict and are just tired of it so they pussy out on everything.

Where did I write EU?

 

[Zé Tahir]

'cause the palestinian people needs the support of Europe and in time America if they want a peaceful two-state solution.

calling out for the destruction of israel, an islamic ideology and attack on civilians makes hamas impossible to support from a western perspective.

I agree with some of this.

Hamas for me are hard to judge. On the one hand they are a force of resistance because they're one of the few taking stand for the Palestinian people. At the same time a lot of their religious ideology is dangerous and not even true to Islam.

Their stance on fighting, though understandable, is not effective. There's just no competition...Israel is just too powerful even without help from the American gov't and the rest of the world (mostly the Arabs) have proven not to come to the aid of the Palestinians.

Only way out for them is through educating their population and fighting it out through legal means. Israel is not only more powerful militarily but their influence in the world is just too great. They excel in media, finance, politics, science, technology, etc. Only Palestinians can help themselves, the world doesn't give two shits.

 

[Raz]

Where did I write EU?

Ok so how does it matter what seperate EU countries think? Until there is no reason for them to do something they will do what they always do - nothing, just talk. Or israel really does something terrible. Though I have my doubts even if lets say isreal would chemical weapons if that would change anything.

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Only way out for them is through educating their population and fighting it out through legal means. Israel is not only more powerful militarily but their influence in the world is just too great. They excel in media, finance, politics, science, technology, etc. Only Palestinians can help themselves, the world doesn't give two shits.

How do you fight an enemy that understands only force. The influences israel has in this world how would you go on to fight a legal battle with them?

I'm not pro violence from any side including Hamas, but how else can they fight such enemy in these circumstances?

For a "fair" peaceful solution to be made israel has to be the ones to back down a bit and land on the ground from the clouds they are living in now, but that is never going to happen so what palestine has to do? Just agree with their loses and concede?

 

[ReBeL]

At the same time a lot of their religious ideology is dangerous and not even true to Islam.

Ze,

What is Hamas doing that is not in Islam?

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'cause the palestinian people needs the support of Europe and in time America if they want a peaceful two-state solution.

calling out for the destruction of israel, an islamic ideology and attack on civilians makes hamas impossible to support from a western perspective.

Europe and USA are not neutral in this. They have interests with Israel. Palestinians need anybody to protect them. Right now. Hamas is the best party that is doing this. Do you think that Israel would have stopped their attack on Gaza if they did not find huge resistance?

 

[Zé Tahir]

How do you fight an enemy that understands only force. The influences israel has in this world how would you go on to fight a legal battle with them?

I'm not pro violence from any side including Hamas, but how else can they fight such enemy in these circumstances?

For a "fair" peaceful solution to be made israel has to be the ones to back down a bit and land on the ground from the clouds they are living in now, but that is never going to happen so what palestine has to do? Just agree with their loses and concede?

I see no other option. What you're suggesting is too idealistic. Israel has and continues to violate international law. What or who is going to make them accountable for it? In reality who really has the upper hand at any (farcical) negotiation table?

Ze,

What is Hamas doing that is not in Islam?

I don't have the entire Hamas charter in front of me but where in Islam is there a fight against Judaism? What part of Islam says that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam."?

Where was this 'hate' for the Zionists when they were receiving funds from Israel? It's no secret Israel funded Hamas at one point.

 

[ReBeL]

I don't have the entire Hamas charter in front of me but where in Islam is there a fight against Judaism? What part of Islam says that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam."?

Where was this 'hate' for the Zionists when they were receiving funds from Israel? It's no secret Israel funded Hamas at one point.

They do not target Jews. They target Zionists. Zionists that came to Palestine from nowhere and made massacres and forced people to leave their houses. Islam never said that you can accept that, and stay waiting for UN to liberate your houses.

As for your second sentence about the establishment of Hamas, I read many similar sentences from people abroad. I can tell you this is totally wrong. Hamas started at 6-12-1987 at the beginning of the first intefada as a resistance organization. All these rumors about it being funded or supported by Israel is really laughable...

 

[Raz]

ReBeL, your painting of Hamas and such are very similar of how israel paints IDF. Just saying.

 

[ReBeL]

ReBeL, your painting of Hamas and such are very similar of how israel paints IDF. Just saying.

The only difference is that you compare the oppressor and the oppressed...

 

[Raz]

The only difference is that you compare the oppressor and the oppressed...

Nah, if i could choose which violence is "better" or more "moraly right" I would side with Hamas, because I think they are more or less resistence or fighting as defendants from conquerors. But I try not to be blind too, their no saints like you try to paint them.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

http://thehill.com/policy/international/214501-netanyahu-offers-firm-defense-of-israeli-offensive
btw
"give us back our land" statements from hamas lovers is

 

[Zacheryah]

its as " " as Russia's rights to take the Crime back

 

[Enron]

Israel, such criminals.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

its as " " as Russia's rights to take the Crime back

Russia had no right to annex Crimea, it's unacceptable what Putin did, we don't need it, we spent billions on this region already in the past 20 years we could buy easily, no one would give a fuck, but Putin is son of a bitch, unfortunately his propaganda is working so well that his rating atm 84% poor boys and girls are in love with this moron

 

[Lion]

your words say one thing, but your action say another putin lover

 

[ALC]

people defending hamas do not do the palestinian people any favours

I agree with some of this.

Hamas for me are hard to judge. On the one hand they are a force of resistance because they're one of the few taking stand for the Palestinian people. At the same time a lot of their religious ideology is dangerous and not even true to Islam.

Their stance on fighting, though understandable, is not effective. There's just no competition...Israel is just too powerful even without help from the American gov't and the rest of the world (mostly the Arabs) have proven not to come to the aid of the Palestinians.

Only way out for them is through educating their population and fighting it out through legal means. Israel is not only more powerful militarily but their influence in the world is just too great. They excel in media, finance, politics, science, technology, etc. Only Palestinians can help themselves, the world doesn't give two shits.

Agreed, great points.


I think that Hamas just looks more likable or relatable to most people at the moment. They're still a bunch of radical guerrillas with outdated concepts and ideas.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

your words say one thing, but your action say another putin lover

Hope he will die anytime soon