Israeli-Palestinian conflict (95 Viewers)

[Alen]

IMO, there are two solutions, one which is Palestinians living in their own State and Israeli's returning back to where they came from[which is being spread all over the world WITHOUT having a country]. 2nd which is having peace between the two countries and allowing all the refugees in Arab world to return back to their homeland. Both options aren't likely to happen soon, but they're the only options that I can see.

One of these options must work. People there should learn that there is no third option and accept that.

Edit: And they will have to choose the 2nd option.

Plus, If I were Israeli, I would really leave the place and find myself a better shelter/home where I can live a better and safer life. It has always been up to Israeli's, they can decide whether to live a better life or bitter one like the one they're currently living.

But now it's too late.
You forget that Israel is now their home. 60 years have passed. 90% of them were born and raised in Israel. It's their home just like it's the home of the Palestinians. Hey, i'd say that it's their home more than it's the home of someone who is Palestinian but was born and raised in Lebanon or Jordan.
There might be much more peaceful and better places, but not for them because nothing's better than home. No matter how ugly and dangerous it is, it's their home and they don't want to leave from home.

 

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[Ahmed]

It will solve YOUR problem, not THE problem.

So if we send them to Pakistan, you think the problem will be solved? They'll be far away from the Levant. That's what we want, right? We want them away from Palestine.
Or if we send them to England, can we put them in the houses of the Pakistani people who live there?

We shouldn't create a new problem, we should try to solve the existing one without creating a new one.

I wish they would come to Pakistan, we'll welcome them with open arms, so to speak

 

[Azzurri7]

I wish they would come to Pakistan, we'll welcome them with open arms, so to speak

It's easy to speak my friend.

 

[Alen]

I wish they would come to Pakistan, we'll welcome them with open arms, so to speak

Seriously, deporting them will hardly solve the problem. They've been deported and expelled from the countries where they lived far too many times in history.
Just out of my head....they were expelled from France in 1182, they were expelled from England and southern Italy in 1290, they were expelled from Switzerland 4 years later, they were expelled from many parts of Germany and from Hungary in the mid 14 century, they were expelled from Austria in 1421, then the famous deportation of the jews from Spain in 1492, then 5 years later they were expelled from Portugal........there are more deportations that i don't remember right now.....and then we get to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Now the Arabs have them. If they're deported from Palestine your problem will be solved like i said, but someone else will have to welcome them and a new problem will start.

 

[Eddy]

IMO, there are two solutions, one which is Palestinians living in their own State and Israeli's returning back to where they came from[which is being spread all over the world WITHOUT having a country]. 2nd which is having peace between the two countries and allowing all the refugees in Arab world to return back to their homeland. Both options aren't likely to happen soon, but they're the only options that I can see.

Plus, If I were Israeli, I would really leave the place and find myself a better shelter/home where I can live a better and safer life. It has always been up to Israeli's, they can decide whether to live a better life or bitter one like the one they're currently living.

Rab, what will happen when the Israelis don't have anymore space for their beloved Jewish citizens after they demolish Palestinian homes and take all the land. You know which country is next right ? Arabs need to start thinking ahead about this especially Lebanese because one way or another, Lebanon is the next country they will try to invade. Imagine a world where Hizbollah doesn't exist, like you would want to... Israel will take advantage of the Lebanese Army's current weakness and will try to invade it, and maybe this time Syria won't be on the lookout because as we can see now, no Arab countries are willing to fight the Israelis. And with Jewish influence, this is a real case scenario my friend.

In my opinion, now that the Israelis have had their state for a while, there is no backing down and the only solution for the Arabs to unite and fight. Just like how this all started with Jewish immigrants entering Palestine and forming terrorist orginizations and fighting Palestinians, Arab countries must do the same with how it all started. Fight fire with fire my friend. Enough Palestinian blood has been spilt.

 

[Alen]

Seriously, deporting them will hardly solve the problem. They've been deported and expelled from the countries where they lived far too many times in history.
Just out of my head....they were expelled from France in 1182, they were expelled from England and southern Italy in 1290, they were expelled from Switzerland 4 years later, they were expelled from many parts of Germany and from Hungary in the mid 14 century, they were expelled from Austria in 1421, then the famous deportation of the jews from Spain in 1492, then 5 years later they were expelled from Portugal........there are more deportations that i don't remember right now.....and then we get to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Now the Arabs have them. If they're deported from Palestine your problem will be solved like i said, but someone else will have to welcome them and a new problem will start.

And one more thing......it's even a bigger problem now because they're not as helpless as they were in the middle ages or during the Nazi regime. It will take millions and millions of deaths on both sides just so you'll TRY to expell them from Palestine.

 

[Ahmed]

Seriously, deporting them will hardly solve the problem. They've been deported and expelled from the countries where they lived far too many times in history.
Just out of my head....they were expelled from France in 1182, they were expelled from England and southern Italy in 1290, they were expelled from Switzerland 4 years later, they were expelled from many parts of Germany and from Hungary in the mid 14 century, they were expelled from Austria in 1421, then the famous deportation of the jews from Spain in 1492, then 5 years later they were expelled from Portugal........there are more deportations that i don't remember right now.....and then we get to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Now the Arabs have them. If they're deported from Palestine your problem will be solved like i said, but someone else will have to welcome them and a new problem will start.

lol, that is one helluva memory you got there Al

I'm not saying they didn't get a raw deal, but you would imagine with such a history of persecution and banishment, they would think twice before enforcing the same hardship on another people

 

[GordoDeCentral]

actually Alen what you fail to recognize is that arabs have had them every single time they were kicked out, every time they were expelled from europe they sought refuge in arab/muslim land, morbidly comic really...

 

[Azzurri7]

Rab, what will happen when the Israelis don't have anymore space for their beloved Jewish citizens after they demolish Palestinian homes and take all the land. You know which country is next right ? Arabs need to start thinking ahead about this especially Lebanese because one way or another, Lebanon is the next country they will try to invade. Imagine a world where Hizbollah doesn't exist, like you would want to... Israel will take advantage of the Lebanese Army's current weakness and will try to invade it, and maybe this time Syria won't be on the lookout because as we can see now, no Arab countries are willing to fight the Israelis. And with Jewish influence, this is a real case scenario my friend.

In my opinion, now that the Israelis have had their state for a while, there is no backing down and the only solution for the Arabs to unite and fight. Just like how this all started with Jewish immigrants entering Palestine and forming terrorist orginizations and fighting Palestinians, Arab countries must do the same with how it all started. Fight fire with fire my friend. Enough Palestinian blood has been spilt.

Arab unity will never happen bro. This is somehow impossible.

I also doubt Israeli's will ever try to knock our doors again. Not after Summer war of 2006. They were humiliated in every way. With or without Hezbollah Israel will have no courage to try and invade Lebanon. Amal obliged them to withdraw back 70's and 80's and Hezbollah did it again in 2006.

IMO, the biggest role a country can play and solve the problem between Palestine and Israel is Syria. They hold everything in their hands.

 

[Eddy]

Seriously, deporting them will hardly solve the problem. They've been deported and expelled from the countries where they lived far too many times in history.
Just out of my head....they were expelled from France in 1182, they were expelled from England and southern Italy in 1290, they were expelled from Switzerland 4 years later, they were expelled from many parts of Germany and from Hungary in the mid 14 century, they were expelled from Austria in 1421, then the famous deportation of the jews from Spain in 1492, then 5 years later they were expelled from Portugal........there are more deportations that i don't remember right now.....and then we get to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Now the Arabs have them. If they're deported from Palestine your problem will be solved like i said, but someone else will have to welcome them and a new problem will start.

Seriously, let them Jewish bankers convince Denmark to sell Greenland and let them take it. No joke, this is a actually a good idea..Greenland will officially become a country by next year in 2009..sell half of that island to the jews, that special little island..."Jew Isle!!!"

 

[Il Re]

i wonder what del piero would have to say on the matter

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Seriously, let them Jewish bankers convince Denmark to sell Greenland and let them take it. No joke, this is a actually a good idea..Greenland will officially become a country by next year in 2009..sell half of that island to the jews, that special little island...

a lot of "free" countries were initially offered to jews, where no population displacement were to take place; they insisted on palestine

 

[Ahmed]

Arab unity will never happen bro. This is somehow impossible.

I also doubt Israeli's will ever try to knock our doors again. Not after Summer war of 2006. They were humiliated in every way. With or without Hezbollah Israel will have no courage to try and invade Lebanon. Amal obliged them to withdraw back 70's and 80's and Hezbollah did it again in 2006.

IMO, the biggest role a country can play and solve the problem between Palestine and Israel is Syria. They hold everything in their hands.

Humiliation doesn't count for shit when you check the body count mate...the positive thing that came from that summer conflict IMO was the international condemnation of Israel, which thankfully is still continuing to this day...

and bro, could you explain more about Syria?

 

[Alen]

actually Alen what you fail to recognize is that arabs have had them every single time they were kicked out, every time they were expelled from europe they sought refuge in arab/muslim land, morbidly comic really...

True.
Currently i'm reading one old essay of mine about the Jews in the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish sultan Bayazid actually invited the Jews who were expelled from Spain in his Empire because they were able to satisfy many needs of the Empire.
Actually, many of the expelled Jews from the European countries returned back, and what's even stranger, after being invited to come back by those who expelled them. (That's the case with France, for example).

@ Ahmed, that's my job to know that, but don't take the numbers for granted. We're human after all

 

[Eddy]

a lot of "free" countries were initially offered to jews, where no population displacement were to take place; they insisted on palestine

Then let the rockets fall...

EDIT: I remember reading Jamaica being one of them...

 

[Alen]

a lot of "free" countries were initially offered to jews, where no population displacement were to take place; they insisted on palestine

Well, they weren't crazy to go to Kenya

 

[Ahmed]

man they got the money on lock, who knows what Kenya/Uganda/Madagascar would have been like if the Jews took over

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well, they weren't crazy to go to Kenya

it gave us Obama!

considering that new york is the real hub of world jewry they could pick any summer resort as a base country really.

 

[Alen]

Lol, you guys just brought some sweet memories. My last exam was "History of the world after WWII" and one of the 3 exam questions i got was the creation of Israel.
I remember that i was laughing when i read that Chamberlain offered the Jews Kenya to be their new home and i repeated that at least 3 times while i was answering the exam question.

 

[Eddy]

Didn't he also propose Jamaica as well ?