Israeli-Palestinian conflict (78 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

That's blatantly untrue.

what's untrue? no need to returning 1000 year back.They lived together peacefully under Ottoman rule.

however, everything you have feared are more possible now.if some people lose his temper and kill his jew neighbour, responsible will be zionist actions.

 

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[Il Re]

But all of this means that the Arab world must be completely dependant on international organisations such as the UN.

But you choose to insult them. Sure, it's slow, sure, it doesn't always look right, but it's the only shot you have, no?

that's the problem

they shouldn't be completely dependant on the UN

 

[CheSchifo!]

that's the problem

Yeah, I understand that, but then it would make more sense to pressure the UN in positive ways. Which is what a lot of people in Belgium want our minster of foreign affairs to do.

 

[Il Re]

Yeah, I understand that, but then it would make more sense to pressure the UN in positive ways. Which is what a lot of people in Belgium want our minster of foreign affairs to do.

yep, i agree, but it's thing something making sense and something someone should do, and another thing what they actually do in reality

 

[CheSchifo!]

what's untrue? no need to returning 1000 year back.They lived together peacefully under Ottoman rule.

however, everything you have feared are more possible now.if some people lose his temper and kill his jew neighbour, responsible will be zionist actions.

Well, possibly. But I'm still going to blame the guy who actually killed his neighbour.

There are examples of jews and muslims living together in peace, but there are examples of the opposite as well. It's unfair to say that the West caused all conflict between the two religions.

 

[ReBeL]

I keep on laughing each time I remember how they celebrated in the Arab countries when Obama won over McCain thinking everything is going to be solved.

I loved how Ahmed Matar wrote that poem about those Arab idiots who cheered for Obama.

 

[Fred]

So there would be an Arab precedent. That's interesting, because it is always portrayed as western. There are a few other cultures in which there is some sort of democracy, but it is often not as direct as the western form of it was/is.

I know this is a bit of a difficult issue here and I'm sure that I'm going to get a lot of people angry, but: aren't the people as such responsible for allowing another form of government than democracy to exist? I know a lot of people could get killed, I realise that, but that's what it took in almost all countries that are democratic right now as well. Isn't it a bit too easy to be the victim?

No your right, the people are responsible. I think its got something to do with the culture. I feel sometimes that Arabs have a tendency to succumb to totalitarianism more easily than Westerners. Its not something that would change anytime soon. You'd be surprised on how little people's concern is over here for basic liberties, like the freedom of speech, freedom of thought etc..

We can't blame anyone but ourselves, i'm not denying that.

 

[Il Re]

i don't knwo if this is a stupid comment but...........is it not possible to create a new state where israel is, and have it secular? that way israeli's and palestinians live in peace? maybe? but i guess it's not about the religeon, it's simply about the land.....so it would solve nothing, just a thought anyway

 

[ReBeL]

Well, possibly. But I'm still going to blame the guy who actually killed his neighbour.

There are examples of jews and muslims living together in peace, but there are examples of the opposite as well. It's unfair to say that the West caused all conflict between the two religions.

Balfour, Andries.

 

[ReBeL]

i don't knwo if this is a stupid comment but...........is it not possible to create a new state where israel is, and have it secular? that way israeli's and palestinians live in peace? maybe? but i guess it's not about the religeon, it's simply about the land.....so it would solve nothing, just a thought anyway

That is not possible. One million Palestinians are living right now inside Israel and they are doing nothing against it, but they suffer a very bad apartheid just because they are considered a demographic danger according to the Zionist leaders.

 

[ReBeL]

People in the outskirts of Beit Lahya town fled their houses and gathered in the centre of that town. There are now 16800 people inside three schools.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Yea, you raped them.....

Yeah and according to you standards Soviet won their war against Afghanistan and USA won their war against Vietnam

 

[BlanquiNegro]

I loved how Ahmed Matar wrote that poem about those Arab idiots who cheered for Obama.

مِن أوباما ..
لِجَميعِ الأعرابِ شُعوباً أو حُكّاما :

قَرْعُ طَناجِرِكُمْ في بابي ..
أرهَقَني وَأطارَ صَوابي ..

افعَل هذا يا أوباما ..
اترُك هذا يا أوباما ..

أمطِرْنا بَرْداً وسَلاما ..
يا أوباما ..
وَفِّرْ للِعُريانِ حِزاما ..
يا أوباما ..
خَصِّصْ للِطّاسَةِ حَمّاما ..
يا أوباما ..
فَصِّلْ للِنَملَةِ بيجاما ..
يا أوباما !


قَرقَعَة تَعلِكُ أحلاما ..
وَتَقيء صَداها أوهَامَا ..

وَسُعارُ الضَّجّةِ مِن حَوْلي ..
لا يَخبو حتّى يتنامى !

وَأنا رَجْلُ عِندي شُغْلٌ ؛
أكثَرُ مِن وَقتِ بَطالَتكُمْ ..
أطوَلُ مِن حُكْمِ جَلالَتِكُمْ ..

فَدَعوني أُنذركُمْ بَدءاً ..
كَي أحظى بالعُذْر ختاما !

لَستُ بِخادمِ مَن خَلَّفَكُمْ ..
لأُسِاطَ قُعوداً وَقياما ..

لَستُ أخاكُمْ حَتّى أُهْجى ..
إن أنَا لَمْ أصِلِ الأرحاما ..

لَستُ أباكُمْ حَتّى أُرجى ..
لأكِونَ عَلَيْكُمْ قَوّاما ..

وَعُروبَتُكُمْ لَمْ تَختَرْني ..
وَأنا ما اختَرتُ الإسلاما ..

فَدَعوا غَيري يَتَبَنّاكُمْ ..
أو ظَلُّوا أبَداً أيتاما !

أنَا أُمثولَةُ شَعْبٍ يأبى ..
أن يَحكُمَهُ أحَدّ غَصبْا ..
و نِظامٍ يَحتَرِمُ الشَّعبا ..

وَأنا لَهُما لا غَيرِهِما ..
سأُقَطِّرُ قَلبي أنغاما !

حَتّى لَو نَزَلَتْ أنغامي
فَوقَ مَسامِعِكُمْ .. ألغاما !

فامتَثِلوا .. نُظُماً وَشُعوباً ..
وَاتَّخِذوا مَثَلي إلهام ..

أمّا إن شِئتُمْ أن تَبقوا ؛
في هذي الدُّنيا أنعاما ..
تَتَسوَّلُ أمْنَاً وَطَعاما ..

فَأُصارِحُكُمْ .. أنّي رَجُلُ ..
في كُلِّ مَحَطّاتِ حَياتي ..
لَمْ أُدخِلْ ضِمْنَ حِساباتي ..
أن أرعى يوماً ..
أغناما !

 

[Il Re]

That is not possible. One million Palestinians are living right now inside Israel and they are doing nothing against it, but they suffer a very bad apartheid just because they are considered a demographic danger according to the Zionist leaders.

i see, i did not know that

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Well, possibly. But I'm still going to blame the guy who actually killed his neighbour.

There are examples of jews and muslims living together in peace, but there are examples of the opposite as well. It's unfair to say that the West caused all conflict between the two religions.

Just want to ask you 2 Q?
Why do you think Israel targeting the the media in this conflict?
Don't you think that something very fishy is going on their right now and Israel don't want the whole world to know it?

And how do you explain targeting the UN centers 'UNRWA" while they are a member in that organisation and that organisation admits that Israel is a state?

 

[Il Re]

مِن أوباما ..
لِجَميعِ الأعرابِ شُعوباً أو حُكّاما :

قَرْعُ طَناجِرِكُمْ في بابي ..
أرهَقَني وَأطارَ صَوابي ..

افعَل هذا يا أوباما ..
اترُك هذا يا أوباما ..

أمطِرْنا بَرْداً وسَلاما ..
يا أوباما ..
وَفِّرْ للِعُريانِ حِزاما ..
يا أوباما ..
خَصِّصْ للِطّاسَةِ حَمّاما ..
يا أوباما ..
فَصِّلْ للِنَملَةِ بيجاما ..
يا أوباما !


قَرقَعَة تَعلِكُ أحلاما ..
وَتَقيء صَداها أوهَامَا ..

وَسُعارُ الضَّجّةِ مِن حَوْلي ..
لا يَخبو حتّى يتنامى !

وَأنا رَجْلُ عِندي شُغْلٌ ؛
أكثَرُ مِن وَقتِ بَطالَتكُمْ ..
أطوَلُ مِن حُكْمِ جَلالَتِكُمْ ..

فَدَعوني أُنذركُمْ بَدءاً ..
كَي أحظى بالعُذْر ختاما !

لَستُ بِخادمِ مَن خَلَّفَكُمْ ..
لأُسِاطَ قُعوداً وَقياما ..

لَستُ أخاكُمْ حَتّى أُهْجى ..
إن أنَا لَمْ أصِلِ الأرحاما ..

لَستُ أباكُمْ حَتّى أُرجى ..
لأكِونَ عَلَيْكُمْ قَوّاما ..

وَعُروبَتُكُمْ لَمْ تَختَرْني ..
وَأنا ما اختَرتُ الإسلاما ..

فَدَعوا غَيري يَتَبَنّاكُمْ ..
أو ظَلُّوا أبَداً أيتاما !

أنَا أُمثولَةُ شَعْبٍ يأبى ..
أن يَحكُمَهُ أحَدّ غَصبْا ..
و نِظامٍ يَحتَرِمُ الشَّعبا ..

وَأنا لَهُما لا غَيرِهِما ..
سأُقَطِّرُ قَلبي أنغاما !

حَتّى لَو نَزَلَتْ أنغامي
فَوقَ مَسامِعِكُمْ .. ألغاما !

فامتَثِلوا .. نُظُماً وَشُعوباً ..
وَاتَّخِذوا مَثَلي إلهام ..

أمّا إن شِئتُمْ أن تَبقوا ؛
في هذي الدُّنيا أنعاما ..
تَتَسوَّلُ أمْنَاً وَطَعاما ..

فَأُصارِحُكُمْ .. أنّي رَجُلُ ..
في كُلِّ مَحَطّاتِ حَياتي ..
لَمْ أُدخِلْ ضِمْنَ حِساباتي ..
أن أرعى يوماً ..
أغناما !

translation?

 

[ReBeL]

translation?

From Obama…
To all Arab peoples and rulers:
Your pot banging at my door
Has exhausted me and driven me mad…
“Do this, o Obama…
Leave this, o Obama
Rain upon us cold and peace
O Obama.
Save a belt for the naked!
O Obama.
Find a bowl for the bath!
O Obama.
Tailor pajamas for the ant!
O Obama…”
A clanging that chews on dreams
And its echo vomits illusions
No sooner does the voracity of the noise
Begin to subside than it begins to grow again.
And I am a man with lots to do
More than the time you have for idleness
Longer than the reign of your majesty
So, let me begin by warning you
In order to have my excuse at the end:
I do not serve her who gave birth to you
To be whipped back and forth.
I am not your brother to be defamed
If I do not bring siblings together.
I am not your father to be implored
To be a guardian for you.
Your Arabism has not chosen me
Neither have I chosen Islam!
So, let someone else adopt you
Or remain forever orphans!
I am the proverb of a people
Who refuses to be ruled by force…
Of a system that respects the people.
And it is to them and to no one else
That my heart will flow in sweet melody
Even should my songs descend
Upon your ears… in explosions!
So take heed… As regimes and peoples
And take my example as inspiration.
But if you wish to remain
Like cattle in this world
Begging for security and food
Let me be honest with you… I am a man
Who through all the stages of his life
Not once has counted on
One day herding sheep!

 

[BlanquiNegro]

translation?

Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
forget it bro
My english is as you can see

 

[Il Re]

Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
forget it bro
My english is as you can see

no problem, rebel has done it

thanks rebel

 

[ReBeL]

no problem, rebel has done it

thanks rebel

You're welcome. It is not my translation, for sure.

But he really is honest in his poem criticising those who thought that electing Obama will have any positive impact on the Middle East.