Israel War with Iran (6 Viewers)

[TheLaz]

That word is meaningless in adult conversations about geopolitics.

Some leaders are elected in power. Others are making it impossible for the people to elect their own leaders. That is a difference between the west and Russia, NK, Iran and others

 

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[Scottish]

Some leaders are elected in power. Others are making it impossible for the people to elect their own leaders. That is a difference between the west and Russia, NK, Iran and others

Why should whether or not a country did the voting ritual carry so much weight that Iran somehow comes out as the major villain of this scenario?

 

[TheLaz]

Why should whether or not a country did the voting ritual carry so much weight that Iran somehow comes out as the major villain of this scenario?

Because if Iran elected their leaders, this would be a war with Iran. But it is not a war with Iran. It is a war to remove the people in power of Iran and their powers. Destroying critical infrastructure that could enable them to produce WMDs is one step towards freeing the people of Iran

 

[abstract]

Some leaders are elected in power. Others are making it impossible for the people to elect their own leaders. That is a difference between the west and Russia, NK, Iran and others

What has that to do how they conduct their foreign policy? What does that tell us about the geopolitical objectives of countries? Majority of Americans don't want this war.

 

[TheLaz]

What has that to do how they conduct their foreign policy? What does that tell us about the geopolitical objectives of countries? Majority of Americans don't want this war.

Why would Trump call this strike? He made it clear to his voters that he will not start wars. Trump will be less popular for calling this strike. I hate Trump, but I choose to believe that any sitting US president would call this strike

 

[abstract]

Because if Iran elected their leaders, this would be a war with Iran. But it is not a war with Iran. It is a war to remove the people in power of Iran and their powers. Destroying critical infrastructure that could enable them to produce WMDs is one step towards freeing the people of Iran

You need to be a complete moron if you think that's the objective of the western powers in Iran. It's not like we don't have examples from the past.

 

[TheLaz]

You need to be a complete moron if you think that's the objective of the western powers in Iran. It's not like we don't have examples from the past.

If the west believe the nuclear facilities are back to zero, I think they are done with Iran. I dont think anybody wants to help rebuild democracy in Iran. Sadly. I hope this is the end of this. Let's hope Iran doesnt retaliate

 

[abstract]

Why would Trump call this strike? He made it clear to his voters that he will not start wars. Trump will be less popular for calling this strike. I hate Trump, but I choose to believe that any sitting US president would call this strike

Yes, US foreign policy is uniparty and? What's your point?

 

[Scottish]

Because if Iran elected their leaders, this would be a war with Iran. But it is not a war with Iran. It is a war to remove the people in power of Iran and their powers. Destroying critical infrastructure that could enable them to produce WMDs is one step towards freeing the people of Iran

Even being charitable and accepting that this is the goal it hasn't worked since Germany and Japan post-WW2 and even one of those two countries was split in two for 50 years.

If wholesome regime change in the best interests of the civilian population is the objective why are western powers so bad at it? Why have no lessons been learned from....well the list of attempts is endless but highlights include Vietnam, Chile, Iraq, Syria and Libya.

What makes you think this case is different enough that going to war is the right thing to do?

 

[TheLaz]

Yes, US foreign policy is uniparty and? What's your point?

Point is that this strike was necessary. The west is united in supporting this strike. Even if they dont say it out loud

 

[Ronn]

Now that Iran’s nuclear program is destroyed according to the US, why does Israel continue to bomb Iran?

 

[TheLaz]

Even being charitable and accepting that this is the goal it hasn't worked since Germany and Japan post-WW2 and even one of those two countries was split in two for 50 years.

If wholesome regime change in the best interests of the civilian population is the objective why are western powers so bad at it? Why have no lessons been learned from....well the list of attempts is endless but highlights include Vietnam, Chile, Iraq, Syria and Libya.

What makes you think this case is different enough that going to war is the right thing to do?

Like you say, it has been proved impossible for a foreign power to reinstate democracy in a country that does not know of it. Does that mean we shouldnt try? Look at Afghanistan after Trump pulled out. Instantly back to Taliban. So I agree what I argue for is a utopia.

 

[Ronn]

Because if Iran elected their leaders, this would be a war with Iran. But it is not a war with Iran. It is a war to remove the people in power of Iran and their powers. Destroying critical infrastructure that could enable them to produce WMDs is one step towards freeing the people of Iran

Israel and US are both saying they don’t want regime change. So where did you get the idea that they want to remove those fuckers?
Iran will be saddled with these assholes for a longer time as a result of these strikes. Of course with a lot less Infrastructure.

 

[abstract]

If the west believe the nuclear facilities are back to zero, I think they are done with Iran. I dont think anybody wants to help rebuild democracy in Iran. Sadly. I hope this is the end of this. Let's hope Iran doesnt retaliate

Ofc they'll retaliate
Iran won't just magically stop their nuclear program because they got bombed, this is an 80-year-old technology, that's well understood. This was an act of war that will lead to a full-blown war don't play naive and stop shifting the blame to Iran.

 

[TheLaz]

Israel and US are both saying they don’t want regime change. So where did you get the idea that they want to remove those fuckers?
Iran will be saddled with these assholes for a longer time as a result of these strikes. Of course with a lot less Infrastructure.

The regime is supposedly crippling from what I hear. Let's see if the people are able to overtake their country

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Ofc they'll retaliate
Iran won't just magically stop their nuclear program because they got bombed, this is an 80-year-old technology, that's well understood. This was an act of war that will lead to a full-blown war don't play naive and stop shifting the blame to Iran.

Nah. You cut the hand that holds the sword, doesnt mean you ask for war

 

[abstract]

Point is that this strike was necessary. The west is united in supporting this strike. Even if they dont say it out loud

What's your point man? They were united in Iraq too that doesn't make their actions correct or justified. Russia thought the invasion of Ukraine was necessary too.

 

[Ronn]

The regime is supposedly crippling from what I hear. Let's see if the people are able to overtake their country

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Nah. You cut the hand that holds the sword, doesnt mean you ask for war

Crippling how? They have a big armed force that can suppress any dissent as shown before. What changed in that regard? Did they die en masse?

 

[abstract]

The regime is supposedly crippling from what I hear. Let's see if the people are able to overtake their country

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Nah. You cut the hand that holds the sword, doesnt mean you ask for war

Bombing a country's nuclear facilities is an act of war i don't care about your metaphors.
I don't know why pretend otherwise unless you want to shift the blame to Iran when a full-blown war breaks out.

 

[Mokku]

@TheLaz
Don't concern yourself about Iran, you should be concerned about how IDF and your dictator have cultivated a culture where it's OK to kill babies and women. When the chosen people knock on your door, you better step aside and don't be surprised when your kids are executed. The highest in your society are those with the most murders so maybe you need a regime change. Israel is the biggest threat to the world and that is backed up with stats that go beyond Hitler and the Holocaust. Don't be so deluded.

 

[Seven]

If the west believe the nuclear facilities are back to zero, I think they are done with Iran. I dont think anybody wants to help rebuild democracy in Iran. Sadly. I hope this is the end of this. Let's hope Iran doesnt retaliate

You're hilariously dumb.

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