Israel War with Iran (13 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

I trust we all live in a better world when Iran doesnt have Nukes.

the events of the past week will make their acquisition an indubitable necessity for iran regardless of what you think of their regime. Israel is a rogue state that seeks to constantly expand. As matter of fact, yes fact not opinion, the world will be a better place without the existence of israel.

 

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[TheLaz]

Bibi has been harping on about Iran having the capability to produce nuclear bomb in two months time since the late 90s. Yet it didn’t stick until he found a US president who was willing to play ball. So let’s not pretend like it was one sided threats.

So you dont mind Iran having Nukes? You think it's fine that we dont know for certain?

 

[PhRoZeN]

So you dont mind Iran having Nukes? You think it's fine that we dont know for certain?

Israel also has nukes. Also there is no evidence that uranium enrichment =nukes

 

[icemaη]

So you dont mind Iran having Nukes? You think it's fine that we dont know for certain?

Iran signed the JCPOA, it wasn't them who pulled out of the deal. There was a diplomatic solution to this and the best deal maker propped up by his war hawks pulled out of that deal. Should Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Neither should any country in the world.

How should Israel handle Hamas then? Should they negotiate and accept their very existence?

Maybe they shouldn't sent bucket loads of money to Hamas in the first place and propped them up against Fatah? Their very existence you speak of, is due to Israel.

 

[TheLaz]

the events of the past week will make their acquisition an indubitable necessity for iran regardless of what you think of their regime. Israel is a rogue state that seeks to constantly expand. As matter of fact, yes fact not opinion, the world will be a better place without the existence of israel.

The world would also be a better place without Iran. But it would probably be more correct to say the world would be better without the people leading those countries. I do not support Netanyahu. I recognize Palestine. We need to draw clear borders for Israel to stop their expansion on Palestine. But the regime in Iran is a terror regime. I does not bother me one bit to see it collapse

 

[Scottish]

the events of the past week will make their acquisition an indubitable necessity for iran regardless of what you think of their regime. Israel is a rogue state that seeks to constantly expand. As matter of fact, yes fact not opinion, the world will be a better place without the existence of israel.

 

[icemaη]

the events of the past week will make their acquisition an indubitable necessity for iran regardless of what you think of their regime. Israel is a rogue state that seeks to constantly expand. As matter of fact, yes fact not opinion, the world will be a better place without the existence of israel.

I may be completely wrong here and may be misinterpreting the data, but these strikes would set Iran back by 5 years in the most optimistic scenario and 2-3 years in the pessimistic scenario. So like you said a nuclear Iran is a much more possibility now than they were before the attacks.

Israel also has nukes. Also there is no evidence that uranium enrichment =nukes

I think people forget that enriching Uranium is the easy part in all of this. It's the actual tech for the bomb that is difficult.

 

[TheLaz]

Iran signed the JCPOA, it wasn't them who pulled out of the deal. There was a diplomatic solution to this and the best deal maker propped up by his war hawks pulled out of that deal. Should Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Neither should any country in the world.

Maybe they shouldn't sent bucket loads of money to Hamas in the first place and propped them up against Fatah? Their very existence you speak of, is due to Israel.

I don't trust the regime in iran one bit. they can sign whatever they want. We need to help the people of Iran get rid of the terrorists running down their country and threatening the world with nuclear weapons

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Yep exactly, the only way to insure deterrence now that the us directly intervened is a nuke.

 

[icemaη]

I don't trust the regime in iran one bit. they can sign whatever they want. We need to help the people of Iran get rid of the terrorists running down their country and threatening the world with nuclear weapons

Ah, they did do that with Mosaddegh. I wonder what happened after that?

 

[icemaη]

That's the one lesson, if anything, you learn from Ukraine.

 

[abstract]

The world would also be a better place without Iran. But it would probably be more correct to say the world would be better without the people leading those countries. I do not support Netanyahu. I recognize Palestine. We need to draw clear borders for Israel to stop their expansion on Palestine. But the regime in Iran is a terror regime. I does not bother me one bit to see it collapse

Who gives a shit what you think? The fact is the geopolitical actors clearly don't want any of that. They want expansion and elimination of any regional actor that can stand in the way of US and Israeli domination in that region. Iran is one of them and them getting nuclear weapons would be completely justifiable and they're dumb for trusting the Western powers. They should have made a weapon decades ago.

 

[Scottish]

Yep exactly, the only way to insure deterrence now that the us directly intervened is a nuke.

That's the one lesson, if anything, you learn from Ukraine.

Ukraine gave up the nukes. Got invaded.

Libya agreed to stop developing the nukes. Got invaded.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria etc etc accused of having nukes. Got attacked/rekt.

DPRK developed nukes successfully. Not invaded.

India and Pakistan spat didn't turn into a full war because both have nukes.
Russia allowed to do whatever it wants because it has nukes.
Israel allowed to do whatever it wants because it has nukes.
USA allowed to do whatever it wants because it has nukes.
EU countries allowed to do whatever they want because they have nukes.

The argument for non-proliferation is non existent.

 

[TheLaz]

Ah, they did do that with Mosaddegh. I wonder what happened after that?

Authoritarian leaders like the Shah is never the future of any country. Let's hope there is a future for Iran where they elect people in power who does not fund terrorism

 

[Scottish]

I don't trust the regime in iran one bit. they can sign whatever they want. We need to help the people of Iran get rid of the terrorists running down their country and threatening the world with nuclear weapons

If they wanted to develop nuclear weapons why would they not have done so by now?

Further to this what makes anybody think they would use WMD if they had them? Does anybody think they don't know how to make chemical weapons already? Why have they not fired those at Israel? It's because if they did they would get totally flattened. Mutually-assured destruction is the only defence when your bullies are armed with nuclear weapons.

Global de-nuclearisation can only come from those with huge stockpiles not by attacking countries who may or may not want to develop them.

 

[TheLaz]

Who gives a shit what you think? The fact is the geopolitical actors clearly don't want any of that. They want expansion and elimination of any regional actor that can stand in the way of US and Israeli domination in that region. Iran is one of them and them getting nuclear weapons would be completely justifiable and they're dumb for trusting the Western powers. They should have made a weapon decades ago.

Its impossible to debate with people that argue Iran should have nukes

 

[swag]

How should Israel handle Hamas then? Should they negotiate and accept their very existence?

First off, they shouldn't be funding them to win the Gaza elections in the first place

 

[TheLaz]

If they wanted to develop nuclear weapons why would they not have done so by now?

Further to this what makes anybody think they would use WMD if they had them? Does anybody think they don't know how to make chemical weapons already? Why have they not fired those at Israel? It's because if they did they would get totally flattened. Mutually-assured destruction is the only defence when your bullies are armed with nuclear weapons.

Global de-nuclearisation can only come from those with huge stockpiles not by attacking countries who may or may not want to develop them.

Authoritarian leaders should not be considered for WMD. Period.

 

[abstract]

Its impossible to debate with people that argue Iran should have nukes

People are pointing out to you that they complied with the JCPOA and the US was the one who withdrawn for it and your response is ''i don't trust them''.
What exactly do you want? They can't sign a deal that they complied with because they can't be trusted, and they also can't have nukes. So, the only option is that they need to go the way of other regional powers where they get bombed to smithereens.

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Authoritarian leaders should not be considered for WMD. Period.

NK has nukes, they're not bombing anyone.

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Countries with nukes and democracies are the ones doing the bombing.

 

[Scottish]

Authoritarian leaders should not be considered for WMD. Period.

That word is meaningless in adult conversations about geopolitics.