Israel War with Iran (13 Viewers)

[BayernFan]

@Orgut your kids aren't explicitly targeted by soldiers, if they get hurt they can recover in a hospital, they get food and water, not like kids in Gaza who have no family or future. Your kids enjoy the most basic rights.

Israel should have the right to exist if it didn't illegally murder civilians, do cross border assassinations, and occupy land. Give up your nukes, have illegal settlers leave, and pay up for damages and deaths, then they can draw up a plan for everyones safety, Israel included.

However, Israel has an agenda for terror and domination. Nothing to do with survival, it's a calculated campaign to break up and weaken countries and have their American bitches leave troops in there to maintain the instability.

What is the need to cut off water and electricity in Gaza daily? Why destroy every hospital? Why shoot hungry innocents looking for food? I'm sorry brother, your country is responsible for unprecedented murder and the reason for misery in the whole region.

This I fully agree with. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Israel should really change their ways of conducting themselves (which of course involves completely new and less radical leadership), leave the West Bank completely and help the Palestinians to rebuild Gaza.

One can wonder how the region would've been today if Yitzhak Rabin wasn't murdered back then.

 

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[TheLaz]

How can Hamas continue to exist? I ask myself this question.

It will be hard for the world to accept Israels occupation if the terror organisation of Hamas has collapsed.

 

[Dostoevsky]

leave the West Bank completely and help the Palestinians to rebuild Gaza.

They will surely rebuild it once they take it completely. And if they do leave, they will have their people handling the whole area.

Come on. Let's not act like they are gonna end up being heroes here.

 

[BayernFan]

They will surely rebuild it once they take it completely. And if they do leave, they will have their people handling the whole area.

Come on. Let's not act like they are gonna end up being heroes here.

I know it's not gonna happen with their current leadership. It's quite clear what the plan really is.

It's more what one could hope/dream about.

 

[TheLaz]

Israel won't leave until Hamas is defeated

 

[Dostoevsky]

I know it's not gonna happen with their current leadership. It's quite clear what the plan really is.

It's more what one could hope/dream about.

I somehow fail to see Israel as a friendly state. I doubt leadership change would do any different since their national identity is based on hatred.

 

[icemaη]

Israel won't leave

There ftfy

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Anyone who mix religion and politics are a threat to world peace. You are fine to have your religion but if you justify blood with religion you are a danger.
I am horrified to wait and see Iran with nukes. I hope this was a swift move to set back their nuclear programme and that they will understand that nobody wants a war with them. But i fear Iran is stupid and will point to their interpretation of the Quran to call for war.

the country that got attacked is the one calling for war?

 

[Orgut]

the country that got attacked is the one calling for war?

You would be surprised..

 

[icemaη]

the country that got attacked is the one calling for war?

 

[BayernFan]

I somehow fail to see Israel as a friendly state. I doubt leadership change would do any different since their national identity is based on hatred.

How is it any different with their Arab neighbours? How many of those are democracies with basic human rights and free speech?

They're just as totalitarian. Yet no one wants to dissolve Syria, Iraq, Egypt etc.

The individual people are mostly good people, but their countries are built on hatred as well.

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the country that got attacked is the one calling for war?

Not defending Israel in this case, but this is a flawed analogy.

Lets say you're pointing a gun at my head very so often, telling me you're gonna shoot me in the head and kill me. When you do that so often, is it wrong for me to actually believe you're not intending to do it?

Should I take it as a joke and let you keep doing it?

One can argue about the Israeli response and I also believe it was way over the line. But just because you didn't strike first, it doesn't mean you're the sole victim.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Israel is the spoilt child, starting wars and then crying when it gets hit. It then calls to his father the US for immediate support. The biased father doesnt care who is wrong or right and will defend his son at all costs. Im no supporter of the Iranian regime but one needs to ask who amongst Israels neighbour have israel made genuine peace with?
Iran may end up being the new Iraq, yes their ideologies may be different but that's no justification to go and attack. Iraq supposedly had nuclear warheads.. we all know the people 'running' this world are nothing but liars. People are dying and all that matters is that ideology we don't agree with should be burned to ashes so we live in a world that depicts 'our' way of living.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

How is it any different with their Arab neighbours? How many of those are democracies with basic human rights and free speech?

They're just as totalitarian. Yet no one wants to dissolve Syria, Iraq, Egypt etc.

The individual people are mostly good people, but their countries are built on hatred as well.

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Not defending Israel in this case, but this is a flawed analogy.

Lets say you're pointing a gun at my head very so often, telling me you're gonna shoot me in the head and kill me. When you do that so often, is it wrong for me to actually believe you're not intending to do it?

Should I take it as a joke and let you keep doing it?

One can argue about the Israeli response and I also believe it was way over the line. But just because you didn't strike first, it doesn't mean you're the sole victim.

Not defending iran but here's, not an analogy, but facts for you, israel attacked 5 countries in the last month. Iran has not attacked a country in 300 years.

 

[BayernFan]

Not defending iran but here's, not an analogy, but facts for you, israel attacked 5 countries in the last month. Iran has not attacked a country in 300 years.

If you don't intend to attack, why the hell make all those threats?

One who haven't attacked for 300 years shouldn't be busy doing that?

 

[Vlad]

You're entitled to your opinion of course.

I'm just not sure I understand the logic behind saying there's a genocide going on in Gaza and then calling for a genocide on another group. Do I dislike Russia in it's current state? Hell yes. Do I wish for Russians to be genocided or their country to cease excisting? No.

Even Germany didn't cease to exist as a country after the two World Wars. And one might argue they deserved it after WW2. There were talks about splitting it back to it's former smaller states. If my memory serves me right the French wanted this very much as they bore the brunt of German aggression in two world wars, but it never materialized. If anyone didn't deserve to have a nation state after those two wars, it was the Germans. WW1 one can argue wasn't Germany's fault alone, but WW2 there's no doubt.

So let me try to understand why it helps anything to call for the eradication of a land? Actually you guys who are calling for the destruction of Israel are just fueling their paranoia and extremism even more. Can't you see that? Because what you're doing/saying is just another form of extremism, sorry to say but it's a fact.

Call out their actions any day of the week, me myself can't get behind them any longer. But to say the nation of Israel should be wiped off the map is just as extreme as those you lash out against.

I couldnt disagree more. If I could draw the parallel with Germany it could only be the level of destruction each of them caused. Considering the size and population, Israel might just edge Germans. Now if Isreal is willing to accept foreign rulers, pay billions in damages, teach their kids in schools for the next half a century what kind of genocidal state they were, sure they can go on. Somehow I dont see this happening and it is easier to relocate 10 million people than 100s of millions all over the middle east.

 

[TheLaz]

the country that got attacked is the one calling for war?

I trust we all live in a better world when Iran doesnt have Nukes.
Israel and USA attacked strategic targets (scientists, military, research etc). Yes, maybe civilians were hurt but they weren't targets. They were casualties. At least Israel is trying to document what they are attacking. What exactly is Iran targeting if not whatever and civilians? Where is the Iranien documentation on what they are trying to destroy in Israel?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If you don't intend to attack, why the hell make all those threats?

One who haven't attacked for 300 years shouldn't be busy doing that?

 

[TheLaz]

There ftfy

How should Israel handle Hamas then? Should they negotiate and accept their very existence?

 

[icemaη]

If you don't intend to attack, why the hell make all those threats?

One who haven't attacked for 300 years shouldn't be busy doing that?

Bibi has been harping on about Iran having the capability to produce nuclear bomb in two months time since the late 90s. Yet it didn’t stick until he found a US president who was willing to play ball. So let’s not pretend like it was one sided threats.

 

[BayernFan]

That sounds like something Putin would say regarding Nato and his invasion of Ukraine.

Not saying the US are right to do what the hell they want.

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Bibi has been harping on about Iran having the capability to produce nuclear bomb in two months time since the late 90s. Yet it didn’t stick until he found a US president who was willing to play ball. So let’s not pretend like it was one sided threats.

I never said it was one sided threats. Israel are also playing their part in that shit.

But to make Iran this good little boy scout is wrong imo.

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I couldnt disagree more. If I could draw the parallel with Germany it could only be the level of destruction each of them caused. Considering the size and population, Israel might just edge Germans. Now if Isreal is willing to accept foreign rulers, pay billions in damages, teach their kids in schools for the next half a century what kind genocidal state they were, sure they can go on. Somehow I dont see this happening and it is easier to relocate 10 million people than 100s of millions all over the middle east.

Yeah, we might have to agree to disagree on this.