Israel-Hezbolla; Lebanon stuck in the middle: The new Middle East Crisis (2 Viewers)

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Hambon

Lion of the Desert
Apr 22, 2005
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Israel loves flaunting thier military power......sooner or later thier blunt terrorist acts are going to bite them in the butt.......the Israeli people should curb the current govt's excessive action in the region....things can only get worse
 

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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mnementh said:
Politics and Juventus should not be mixed. That's why I don't talk about these issues here because I think we're all Juve fans, and so I urge this thread to close.

Hizballah started all this , and there's only one blame here. It's called Hizballah-Hamas-Iran-Syria terror regime. If that ends, everything will be fine. Israeli and Lebanon citizens should live in peace. If it wasn't for the terrorists.
I really wished you kept your diginity by writing the first paragraph only...
 

Bozi

The Bozman
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Oct 18, 2005
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mnementh said:
Israel did nothing wrong. Stop blaming the victim hambon.
actually i believe that neither side is covering them selves with glory here

as a neutral i can only say i hope this whole sorry mess burns out fast before its explodes.

rab, i hope you and your family are ok
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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mnementh said:
Where do you think the ancestors of the "palestinians" come from ? they come from saudi arabia. Everyone are immigrants at some point or another. Everyone. Every country. Everyone started from the African continent at some point. Anyway, many Israelis are already close to 10 generations. There were always Jews in Israel, for thousands of years.
:rofl:

Your ignorance is very funny, mate...

Come back later....
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
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ReBeL said:
I really wished you kept your diginity by writing the first paragraph only...
Actually his second paragraph makes a lot of sense and that is coming from a person whose country is being bombed by airstrikes for the past three days. Spare me vengeance and grudge, purrrrleeeeeezz.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Jeeks said:
Fuck it!!

Everytime it is the same old story over and over again. Lebanon went into 15 years of civil wars just because of a maniac called Yaser "my mouth is too big" Arafat who decided all by himself without consulting anyone to start a war agasint Israel from a land that took him as a refugee.

Now we have a moron in the shape of Hasan Nasralla backed by Syria and Iran. Since 15 years ago Lebanon's touristic wave started to boom back again and this year a record high of hotel bookings was recorded. Now what happened? Well thank you Mr. Nasralla.

Who do I blame? I blame those sissies who call themselves politicians and leaders in my beloved land who don't have the balls to say a word, I haven't reached the point of taking action.

After Hariri was assassinated, the whole country stood by itself to take the Syrians out and everyone hoped for a "new" regime. What happened? Nothing, the same old story but with different faces.

I hate that, I really do, Lebanon is most of the time stuck in the middle suffering from other people's causes. GO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE PLEASE.
Yes, Yaser Big Mouth Arafat was the reason for all the domestic problems in Lebanon...

Can I applaud loudly here??

And why was the name of this thread renamed as if Hezbollah is something from another planet and not a Lebanese organization??
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Orgut said:
Palestinians under terror from Israel?!
the opposite is more than true!

Believe me if the Palestinians were peaceful instead of bombing us every two days and kidnaping our soldiers, Israel would do nothing against them
You're so cute, my dear...

Now, wake up...
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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barkuss said:
This is what I said a manny times:

Fckin wankers that use bible(or your version of it) as an excuse for occupation of palestinian territory.... and you wonder why they hate U? Fckin shit...I don't like you...and I wonder how much palestinian hate you.

I wonder how would I feel if barbars came in croatia and say that according to their religion...the land I'm living on is theirs and put us in concetration camps.... I suppose I would be delighted and happily accept a co-egsistence in piece of land that they have given me to live in. :faq1:
So true...
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
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ReBeL said:
Yes, Yaser Big Mouth Arafat was the reason for all the domestic problems in Lebanon...

Can I applaud loudly here??

And why was the name of this thread renamed as if Hezbollah is something from another planet and not a Lebanese organization??
I did not say that Yasser "may he burn in hell" Arafat was the reason for all domestic struggle in Lebanon; his presence with the Palestinian refugees and the cause he fought using Lebanon as a base are HUGE reason for what happened between 1975 until 1984.

Hezbolla is not a Lebanese organization, it is an organization founded in Iran and then chose Lebanon as a base to fight Israel. Same shit as Yashit ma Arafat.
 

Majed

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Jul 17, 2002
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The Palestinian view.

Aggression Under False Pretenses

By Ismail Haniyeh
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/10/AR2006071001108.html
Tuesday, July 11, 2006; Page A17

GAZA, Palestine -- As Americans commemorated their annual celebration of independence from colonial occupation, rejoicing in their democratic institutions, we Palestinians were yet again besieged by our occupiers, who destroy our roads and buildings, our power stations and water plants, and who attack our very means of civil administration. Our homes and government offices are shelled, our parliamentarians taken prisoner and threatened with prosecution.

The current Gaza invasion is only the latest effort to destroy the results of fair and free elections held early this year. It is the explosive follow-up to a five-month campaign of economic and diplomatic warfare directed by the United States and Israel. The stated intention of that strategy was to force the average Palestinian to "reconsider" her vote when faced with deepening hardship; its failure was predictable, and the new overt military aggression and collective punishment are its logical fulfillment. The "kidnapped" Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit is only a pretext for a job scheduled months ago.

In addition to removing our democratically elected government, Israel wants to sow dissent among Palestinians by claiming that there is a serious leadership rivalry among us. I am compelled to dispel this notion definitively. The Palestinian leadership is firmly embedded in the concept of Islamic shura , or mutual consultation; suffice it to say that while we may have differing opinions, we are united in mutual respect and focused on the goal of serving our people. Furthermore, the invasion of Gaza and the kidnapping of our leaders and government officials are meant to undermine the recent accords reached between the government party and our brothers and sisters in Fatah and other factions, on achieving consensus for resolving the conflict. Yet Israeli collective punishment only strengthens our collective resolve to work together.

As I inspect the ruins of our infrastructure -- the largess of donor nations and international efforts all turned to rubble once more by F-16s and American-made missiles -- my thoughts again turn to the minds of Americans. What do they think of this?

They think, doubtless, of the hostage soldier, taken in battle -- yet thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children, remain in Israeli jails for resisting the illegal, ongoing occupation that is condemned by international law. They think of the pluck and "toughness" of Israel, "standing up" to "terrorists." Yet a nuclear Israel possesses the 13th-largest military force on the planet, one that is used to rule an area about the size of New Jersey and whose adversaries there have no conventional armed forces. Who is the underdog, supposedly America's traditional favorite, in this case?

I hope that Americans will give careful and well-informed thought to root causes and historical realities, in which case I think they will question why a supposedly "legitimate" state such as Israel has had to conduct decades of war against a subject refugee population without ever achieving its goals.

Israel's unilateral movements of the past year will not lead to peace. These acts -- the temporary withdrawal of forces from Gaza, the walling off of the West Bank -- are not strides toward resolution but empty, symbolic acts that fail to address the underlying conflict. Israel's nearly complete control over the lives of Palestinians is never in doubt, as confirmed by the humanitarian and economic suffering of the Palestinians since the January elections. Israel's ongoing policies of expansion, military control and assassination mock any notion of sovereignty or bilateralism. Its "separation barrier," running across our land, is hardly a good-faith gesture toward future coexistence.

But there is a remedy, and while it is not easy it is consistent with our long-held beliefs. Palestinian priorities include recognition of the core dispute over the land of historical Palestine and the rights of all its people; resolution of the refugee issue from 1948; reclaiming all lands occupied in 1967; and stopping Israeli attacks, assassinations and military expansion. Contrary to popular depictions of the crisis in the American media, the dispute is not only about Gaza and the West Bank; it is a wider national conflict that can be resolved only by addressing the full dimensions of Palestinian national rights in an integrated manner. This means statehood for the West Bank and Gaza, a capital in Arab East Jerusalem, and resolving the 1948 Palestinian refugee issue fairly, on the basis of international legitimacy and established law. Meaningful negotiations with a non-expansionist, law-abiding Israel can proceed only after this tremendous labor has begun.

Surely the American people grow weary of this folly, after 50 years and $160 billion in taxpayer support for Israel's war-making capacity -- its "defense." Some Americans, I believe, must be asking themselves if all this blood and treasure could not have bought more tangible results for Palestine if only U.S. policies had been predicated from the start on historical truth, equity and justice.

However, we do not want to live on international welfare and American handouts. We want what Americans enjoy -- democratic rights, economic sovereignty and justice. We thought our pride in conducting the fairest elections in the Arab world might resonate with the United States and its citizens. Instead, our new government was met from the very beginning by acts of explicit, declared sabotage by the White House. Now this aggression continues against 3.9 million civilians living in the world's largest prison camps. America's complacency in the face of these war crimes is, as usual, embedded in the coded rhetorical green light: "Israel has a right to defend itself." Was Israel defending itself when it killed eight family members on a Gaza beach last month or three members of the Hajjaj family on Saturday, among them 6-year-old Rawan? I refuse to believe that such inhumanity sits well with the American public.

We present this clear message: If Israel will not allow Palestinians to live in peace, dignity and national integrity, Israelis themselves will not be able to enjoy those same rights. Meanwhile, our right to defend ourselves from occupying soldiers and aggression is a matter of law, as settled in the Fourth Geneva Convention. If Israel is prepared to negotiate seriously and fairly, and resolve the core 1948 issues, rather than the secondary ones from 1967, a fair and permanent peace is possible. Based on a hudna (comprehensive cessation of hostilities for an agreed time), the Holy Land still has an opportunity to be a peaceful and stable economic powerhouse for all the Semitic people of the region. If Americans only knew the truth, possibility might become reality.

The writer is prime minister of the Palestinian National Authority.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Majed said:
The Palestinian view.

They think, doubtless, of the hostage soldier, taken in battle -- yet thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children, remain in Israeli jails for resisting the illegal, ongoing occupation that is condemned by international law. They think of the pluck and "toughness" of Israel, "standing up" to "terrorists." Yet a nuclear Israel possesses the 13th-largest military force on the planet, one that is used to rule an area about the size of New Jersey and whose adversaries there have no conventional armed forces. Who is the underdog, supposedly America's traditional favorite, in this case?

We present this clear message: If Israel will not allow Palestinians to live in peace, dignity and national integrity, Israelis themselves will not be able to enjoy those same rights. Meanwhile, our right to defend ourselves from occupying soldiers and aggression is a matter of law, as settled in the Fourth Geneva Convention. If Israel is prepared to negotiate seriously and fairly, and resolve the core 1948 issues, rather than the secondary ones from 1967, a fair and permanent peace is possible. Based on a hudna (comprehensive cessation of hostilities for an agreed time), the Holy Land still has an opportunity to be a peaceful and stable economic powerhouse for all the Semitic people of the region. If Americans only knew the truth, possibility might become reality.
Thanks, Majed for posting this...

Those two paragraphs are highlighting the main points ignored by Israelis and some Americans...
 

mnementh

Senior Member
Jun 5, 2005
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If Ismail Haniyeh wants anyone to take him seriously he should first change the symbol of Hamas which includes ALL ISRAEL together with swords, revoke the convenant of his organization which calls for the death of all Jews, stop sending suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians and stop teaching little children to kill.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
mnementh said:
If Ismail Haniyeh wants anyone to take him seriously he should first change the symbol of Hamas which includes ALL ISRAEL together with swords, revoke the convenant of his organization which calls for the death of all Jews, stop sending suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians and stop teaching little children to kill.
What about the Israeli flag that contains two lines standing for Nile River in Egypt and Furat River in Iraq??

Doesn't that explain what Israel is trying to do in the Middle East??
 

mnementh

Senior Member
Jun 5, 2005
2,122
ReBeL said:
What about the Israeli flag that contains two lines standing for Nile River in Egypt and Furat River in Iraq??

Doesn't that explain what Israel is trying to do in the Middle East??
The Israeli flag stands for the colors of the talit. This river business you invented.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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mnementh said:
The Israeli flag stands for the colors of the talit. This river business you invented.
Yes, of course...

And I wrote it under the Greater Israel's map in your parliament (Knesset)...
 
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