Israel-Hezbolla; Lebanon stuck in the middle: The new Middle East Crisis (44 Viewers)
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That's a very interesting way to look at it. When it comes down to it, it just depends on when in history you start. If you start 2000 years ago when the Kingdom of Israel existed then it's a completely different perspective as well.
I agree that the British played a big role before the second world war concerning the situation in the Middle East, but I also think the situation as it exists now came about after the British lost their main influence. There is something to say for both theories...
Anywho, nowadays the British people, as most other Europeans, are uncomfortable with the existance of Israel. That doesn't mean they are anti-Israel per sé, just that if the people of today had been alive 100 years ago: Europe would probably never have agreed with the foundation of a Jewish state...
I agree that the British played a big role before the second world war concerning the situation in the Middle East, but I also think the situation as it exists now came about after the British lost their main influence. There is something to say for both theories...
Anywho, nowadays the British people, as most other Europeans, are uncomfortable with the existance of Israel. That doesn't mean they are anti-Israel per sé, just that if the people of today had been alive 100 years ago: Europe would probably never have agreed with the foundation of a Jewish state...
Rebel..... The brittish did everything in their power to break away from balfour's promise. They established what is called "The White Paper/Book" which was the law in "Eretz Yisrael/Palestina" (the name of the region). That book forbiden jews from buying any lands, it forbade jews to come to israel and so jewish who escaped from nazi death camps were returned to europe and died, and helped the arabs with their revolt which was masscaring jews in hebron, zfat and jerusalem. The jews in response actually attacked the british forces using haghana, etzel and lechi (before 1945 only lechi attacked, later all joined back) and kicked the brittish out of israel so that israel can have its independence.
Im afraid either your reading the wrong thread as me or either you need to visit the local specsavers. I have contributed a lot of facts, maybe not as much today simply becaue its already covered. I have pointed to you the direction to where they are. However as I believe you dont give a crap either way they are primarily there for those who want to know more and are neutral by all means.
Majority of my sources are actually american based and yes some are british based. I have never used any palestinian or any other reference against the israeli agenda so I dont see what bugging you. If by any means I did bring up some palestinian sources then im afraid there really wont be nothing to talk about. However for the sake of it I have been as neutral as possible and its quite said to see that you aint gonna bother spending some time reading the valuable time I spent typing these essays up. But as I said before I really dont care.
I can't be accurate if talking about many thousand years back...
Simply, I didn't witness that, and I can't comment on it...
Britain made the core, and USA has made it more solid with the time...
If you compare them with Americans, you'll find the high difference of course, becuase they're simply watching what's happening abroad...
But, their politics don't seem to go the same way where the people want it to be...
Simply, I didn't witness that, and I can't comment on it...
Britain made the core, and USA has made it more solid with the time...
If you compare them with Americans, you'll find the high difference of course, becuase they're simply watching what's happening abroad...
But, their politics don't seem to go the same way where the people want it to be...
On the issue of 200 years ago or much before this is what I wrote earliar
So the reality is how far do you go? the furtherest and most logically way would be to go as far where all parties were happy.. and really it isnt too far at most 100 years or so, at that point there were not much jews there its really as simple as that. The fact that jews go as far back to lets say 1500 BC then yes, muslims were not known as muslims at that point but rather this is a religious issue and if you ask any muslim they would say the jews at that time were proper jews and in actualy fact were muslims. It may sound confusing but I may have to explain that witha little more detail later on, if theres any confusion regarding this then please pm me as this is a matter of religion and not exactly the topic thread. But if the jews insist the land belong to them first them im sure the evolutionist would easily disagree and say it belonged to the apes first and they are the righteous owners.
So the reality is how far do you go? the furtherest and most logically way would be to go as far where all parties were happy.. and really it isnt too far at most 100 years or so, at that point there were not much jews there its really as simple as that. The fact that jews go as far back to lets say 1500 BC then yes, muslims were not known as muslims at that point but rather this is a religious issue and if you ask any muslim they would say the jews at that time were proper jews and in actualy fact were muslims. It may sound confusing but I may have to explain that witha little more detail later on, if theres any confusion regarding this then please pm me as this is a matter of religion and not exactly the topic thread. But if the jews insist the land belong to them first them im sure the evolutionist would easily disagree and say it belonged to the apes first and they are the righteous owners.
So you're saying that all Israeli's should be Jews? Is Judaism a requirement for having the Israeli nationality?
You know it better than me, but I don't think so.
Look it this way: Belgium is a catholic country in its culture and history. However, today we have a lot of Muslims, there have always been a lot of Jews (think diamonds in Antwerp), we have protestants, orthodoxes, Buddhists, Hindu's,...
I also think that a lot of Jews around the world don't see Israel as their modern homeland. Israel is their ancestor's homeland, since the time of the Torah and the Bible.
You know it better than me, but I don't think so.
Look it this way: Belgium is a catholic country in its culture and history. However, today we have a lot of Muslims, there have always been a lot of Jews (think diamonds in Antwerp), we have protestants, orthodoxes, Buddhists, Hindu's,...
I also think that a lot of Jews around the world don't see Israel as their modern homeland. Israel is their ancestor's homeland, since the time of the Torah and the Bible.
You're asking two different things :
Should all Jews be Israelis ? Yes. This is like saying all Italians should live in Italy. But it's a matter of opinion.
Should all Israelis be Jews ? No... Israel is a democratic country and so it gives rights to other peoples living inside its country like Belgium gives rights to Jews, but Judasim is not only a religion but it's a People. That's the thing... Jews living in Belgium it's nice if the government gives them equal rights, but it's not their motherland. I suppose there are some belgian immigrants inside israel too (exchange students and such
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Should all Jews be Israelis ? Yes. This is like saying all Italians should live in Italy. But it's a matter of opinion.
Should all Israelis be Jews ? No... Israel is a democratic country and so it gives rights to other peoples living inside its country like Belgium gives rights to Jews, but Judasim is not only a religion but it's a People. That's the thing... Jews living in Belgium it's nice if the government gives them equal rights, but it's not their motherland. I suppose there are some belgian immigrants inside israel too (exchange students and such
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