Islamic Centre in the general vicinity of Ground Zero (2 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Exactly, but most of these people are uneducated anyway, so like Ahmed said, they are easily manipulated and brainwashed.

Methinks that isn't always true. Even the most diabolical of murderers are at times rather erudite individuals.

Point of fact: The proposed mosque isn't actually at ground zero. It would be located a few blocks away.

Continue.

Still, I think the victims' families should decide.

 

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[Seven]

Methinks that isn't always true. Even the most diabolical of murderers are at times rather erudite individuals.

Educated and intelligent people could just as easily be brainwashed. Things would probably have to a bit more elaborate, but I doubt their minds are inherently stronger. A prime example would probably be you. If the right conspiracy theory is fed to you at the right time and if the lie is elaborate enough, you're probably one of the first individuals to buy it all. This may or may not come from your love to be part of an intellectual elite that is "in the know".

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So Andy what radius do you propose to ban building mosques on? and on what grounds?

 

[Yamen]

religion and no fights, keep it up champs

 

[Bjerknes]

Americans who believe Islam is responsible for 9/11 are idiots who shouldn't even be considered when such a matter is discussed. They simply are too stupid to be debated.

Well, radical Islam is to blame, if this is the theory we are running with. They did it "for" Islam.

 

[Fred]

Methinks that isn't always true. Even the most diabolical of murderers are at times rather erudite individuals.



Still, I think the victims' families should decide.

The way these organizations recruit is rather telling. They prey on the poor and unprivileged most of the time.

 

[Bjerknes]

Educated and intelligent people could just as easily be brainwashed. Things would probably have to a bit more elaborate, but I doubt their minds are inherently stronger. A prime example would probably be you. If the right conspiracy theory is fed to you at the right time and if the lie is elaborate enough, you're probably one of the first individuals to buy it all. This may or may not come from your love to be part of an intellectual elite that is "in the know".

Care to provide an example?

As for your last sentence, that is pure nonsense.

And remember, you bought into the Scandinavian conspiracy with no proof whatsoever.

So Andy what radius do you propose to ban building mosques on? and on what grounds?

Did I say ban outright around the entire city? I said let the families decide. It's basically right across the street from Ground Zero.

 

[swag]

Well, radical Islam is to blame, if this is the theory we are running with. They did it "for" Islam.

Rather, I'd more say they did it for their own vainglorious view of Islam.

 

[Fred]

Well, radical Islam is to blame, if this is the theory we are running with. They did it "for" Islam.

I don't think anyone can disagree with that. They perceive what they're doing as something they're doing for the good of Islam. The likes of me, JBF and Yamen are out of their circle though, because according to them, we're not muslims.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Care to provide an example?

As for your last sentence, that is pure nonsense.



Did I say ban outright around the entire city? I said let the families decide. It's basically right across the street from Ground Zero.

2 blocks is not across the street, so yes this would constitute a ban, otherwise how else can you describe it. what would be an acceptable distance?

 

[swag]

2 blocks is not across the street, so yes this would constitute a ban, otherwise how else can you describe it. what would be an acceptable distance?

Set up a fence.

No, better still: set up a wall!

And then require checks of documentation and papers to allow people in or out.

And then for the people inside, bulldoze their dwellings once in a while just to let them know who's boss.

And then...

Wait? What were we talking about again?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

exactly! fox news rhetoric 2 blocks becomes on the site itself, pretty soon they ll just come out and say the monument is actually a super mosque that can be seen from space

 

[Bjerknes]

2 blocks is not across the street, so yes this would constitute a ban, otherwise how else can you describe it. what would be an acceptable distance?

Further away from Ground Zero. This has more to do with suppressing tension in the community than anything else. No idea why one would want to build a mosque there when you know some folks might heckle it, or worse. You're playing with a hand grenade here.

 

[Geof]

Did I say ban outright around the entire city? I said let the families decide. It's basically right across the street from Ground Zero.

2 blocks is not across the street, so yes this would constitute a ban, otherwise how else can you describe it. what would be an acceptable distance?

Ok, let me decide. Show it on a map:
http://maps.google.be/maps?f=q&sour...858,-74.011449&spn=0.006644,0.012467&t=h&z=17

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Further away from Ground Zero. This has more to do with suppressing tension in the community than anything else. No idea why one would want to build a mosque there when you know some folks might heckle it, or worse. You're playing with a hand grenade here.

wait what was the definition of terrorism again?

 

[Fred]

Set up a fence.

No, better still: set up a wall!

And then require checks of documentation and papers to allow people in or out.

And then for the people inside, bulldoze their dwellings once in a while just to let them know who's boss.

And then...

Wait? What were we talking about again?

Further away from Ground Zero. This has more to do with suppressing tension in the community than anything else. No idea why one would want to build a mosque there when you know some folks might heckle it, or worse. You're playing with a hand grenade here.

I agree. There isn't any real legal basis for not allowing them to build a mosque there, but i think muslims should be a little more appreciative of the situation(even if they have a right to build a mosque there) and build their mosque somewhere else and avoid this whole mess.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I agree. There isn't any real legal basis for not allowing them to build a mosque there, but i think muslims should be a little more appreciative of the situation(even if they have a right to build a mosque there) and build their mosque somewhere else and avoid this whole mess.

how big is manhattan?

 

[Fred]

how big is manhattan?

No idea, do you want me to google it?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

No idea, do you want me to google it?

do so and look how big the 9/11 site is and what options you have in battery park to set up a mosque

 

[JBF]

Though we don't exactly let christians build their churches, or hindus build their temples wherever they want, now do we JBF?

Thats not half the problem, the problem is if our governments do let these people build their temples/churces wherever they want, they're would be public outcry.

We're not exactly victims this time JBF.

We both know that's not the case in all Arab countries. Both here, Jordan and Palestine all for a fact I know that you Christians have no problems what so ever opening a church. In any case, last time I've checked no Arab country claimed to be the most democratic one on earth and asked other countries to follow by it's example, contrary to the U.S and that's why I expect nothing less than equality by their part.

Well, radical Islam is to blame, if this is the theory we are running with. They did it "for" Islam.

Or so they think, yet when a religious debate goes on they always fail to prove they're the right ones and they often turn sides when they're in fact debated rather than beaten up, thrown in jail and killed.

This is like holding the whole American people responsible for every civilian death in Iraq and Afghanistan just because the army says they're doing it for their country.