Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (17 Viewers)
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how fucken deluded can one be 
Question of semantics (or missuse of terms lol). There is difference between in mere meddling in foreign affairs, and controlling other nations with your influence as the western powers do. France doesnt do that, too weak even if they meddle and bully to a degree, especially in Africa. But someone like the US for example, technically only colonies they have had are tiny islands, but their form of modern day back door empire building neo-colonialism is alot more influential then the direct subjegating colonialism of days past. What they done in Central america, asia and Middle east in past decades and continue to do is pretty much extreme neo-colonialism. They directly hand pick puppet dictators and nation leaders to this day. Iraq's PM being latest example.
I'm not claiming that the West isn't to blame, I just think it's a shame that many arguing this very point lack nuances in their rhetoric - usually diminishing their argument to buzzwords. The US, in particular, have plenty of filth on their hands with regards to the current situation in the middle east (and Ukraine for that sake). I wonder how many times dodgy rebels are going to be armed in order to achieve short term targets, before they come to the conclusion that it's not feasible. I have a tough time accepting the argument that they refuse to learn from previous mistakes, perhaps the military industry lobby is just too strong.
Its extremely naive to think its just mistakes.
Its just more practical for them to keep up the same M.O and feed and narrate the constant state of chaos and discord aslong as its against the interest of your adversary (the big one, not the ones they use as pawns in their proxy wars). Its great for their bussiness interest (short or long term), and its easier to shape the world as you want it to be aslong as you keep it fragile and on edge.
Its just more practical for them to keep up the same M.O and feed and narrate the constant state of chaos and discord aslong as its against the interest of your adversary (the big one, not the ones they use as pawns in their proxy wars). Its great for their bussiness interest (short or long term), and its easier to shape the world as you want it to be aslong as you keep it fragile and on edge.
Ofcourse, who the fuck is talking about or cares about the people as a relevant party in this? 
The US is those who controll it, regardless who is in the white house at any given time, the interests and controlling aparatus remains the same, even if the excuses and rhetorics change (and some administrations are more receptive of certain aggressive foreign policy then others).
The US is those who controll it, regardless who is in the white house at any given time, the interests and controlling aparatus remains the same, even if the excuses and rhetorics change (and some administrations are more receptive of certain aggressive foreign policy then others).
Ofcourse, who the fuck is talking about or cares about the people as a relevant party in this? The US is those who controll it, regardless who is in the white house at any given time, the interests and controlling aparatus remains the same, even if the excuses and rhetorics change (and some administrations are more receptive of certain aggressive foreign policy then others).
The US is those who controll it, regardless who is in the white house at any given time, the interests and controlling aparatus remains the same, even if the excuses and rhetorics change (and some administrations are more receptive of certain aggressive foreign policy then others).
Moral of the story: Move to the US.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/meast/us-airstrikes/index.html
Does this mean they are no longer considered the richest terrorist organization?
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/meast/us-airstrikes/index.html
Does this mean they are no longer considered the richest terrorist organization?
i don't follow Hust!
Though $5 million ransoms seem to be excluded from the definition of "negotiation"...
I live here, and I even think that. I honestly believe there are well-funded, influential "hawks" who get bored and anxious when they haven't had the chance to flex American military power for a while. They still believe in "America the Innocent", and they refuse to see the morass they've left behind as anything of their own creation.
You're damn right it's not in our best interest, it's not like a nat gas pipeline running through Syria is going to do Americans any good. And if any laws were respected in the US, President Obama and the rest of his regime would be indefinitely detained for aiding known terrorist groups in Libya and Syria, in accordance with their own goddamn National Defense Authorization Act!
I think if we had a legitimate media in this country with true investigative journalism (the Seymour Hersh ilk), along with a public more perceptive of how global finance and economics works, these clowns would already be in jail. A year ago when military officers took a stand against bombing Assad via the "we won't be Al Qaeda's air force" meme, we successfully halted the Obama administration from launching those useless attacks. Needless to say, the terrorist card always seems to work (especially after the propaganda outlets show some Americans beheaded), but more are waking up to that farce as well.
I think if we had a legitimate media in this country with true investigative journalism (the Seymour Hersh ilk), along with a public more perceptive of how global finance and economics works, these clowns would already be in jail. A year ago when military officers took a stand against bombing Assad via the "we won't be Al Qaeda's air force" meme, we successfully halted the Obama administration from launching those useless attacks. Needless to say, the terrorist card always seems to work (especially after the propaganda outlets show some Americans beheaded), but more are waking up to that farce as well.