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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
117,039
Cop out: you are intelligent and well read, so you should have an opinion.
What I'm saying is that once there is crowd trouble, it doesn't really matter what the fans' opinions are, or why they're causing trouble. Some fans will find any reason to cause trouble. I'm sure some would fight over somebody insulting Ke$ha's music if that allowed them the excuse to throw some flares.

I don't know what needs to be done in Italy with regards to this, but clearly there is a problem. You don't see this happening in England or Germany.

But hey, some fans like to deny problems because they're simply cheerleaders.
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
Dude, you will never see that guy holding an Albanian flag, unless he plans to burn it :D
I think he might have later, but the camera cut off. The individual who was holding it (who was wearing the same clothes/mask and with the same tats as the 1 in the pic) jumped off the divider and went back into the crowd of Serbia fans, so he couldn't have been an Albanian otherwise he would have been badly beat up I imagine.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,131
What I'm saying is that once there is crowd trouble, it doesn't really matter what the fans' opinions are, or why they're causing trouble. Some fans will find any reason to cause trouble. I'm sure some would fight over somebody insulting Ke$ha's music if that allowed them the excuse to throw some flares.

I don't know what needs to be done in Italy with regards to this, but clearly there is a problem. You don't see this happening in England or Germany.

But hey, some fans like to deny problems because they're simply cheerleaders.
That's actually a valid point. Ex-Yu fans went with their teams in England and Germany many times, but I don't remember them making any trouble there. That can't be a coincidence.

Yes, 99% of the guilt goes to those idiots on the stands, but the security failed, however you look at it.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Who has said it's Italys fault? they should accept they had a lapse of security and they should be fined for that it's not the first time so many harmful things are making it into the Stadiums in Italy.
Can't remember when there were problems like this in Italy. But you should also remember, that it's different in England. You monitor every move people make in the streets.
 
May 22, 2007
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That's actually a valid point. Ex-Yu fans went with their teams in England and Germany many times, but I don't remember them making any trouble there. That can't be a coincidence.

Yes, 99% of the guilt goes to those idiots on the stands, but the security failed, however you look at it.
Were those fans supporting their team, or trying to get the game called off like the Serbs did tonight (as some here have suggested)?
 

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