Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (248 Viewers)

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Chiellini is on form, so is Poulsen (even if it doesn't seem like it).

And I'm addressing Del Piero. Everyone wants him to play and blames Ciro for not starting him, but if he's out of form, why should he be given a free ride in the team?
Why should Amauri, Diego, Cannavaro, Grygera, Melo, Grosso, Legro be given free ride in the team? Why 90% of the team should be given ride in the team?
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
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Why should Amauri, Diego, Cannavaro, Grygera, Melo, Grosso, Legro be given free ride in the team? Why 90% of the team should be given ride in the team?
Rab,

Those players are needed in this formation thats why. With this 4-4-1-1 crap. It's Ferrara who is deeming Del Piero surplus to requirements. I don't agree with what Ciro's logic is. Tonight Del Piero should of started in such a big game.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Free ride as in a starting spot no matter what.

Look folks, DP is out of form and wasn't going to save us this match.
Who was going to save us? Your out of form argument isn't logical Andy. No one in this team looks inform if that's what you want to say. Apart from Chiellini no one is. Even Poulsen and Marchisio aren't..

So if that's your theory/case, then we should field Chiellini with maybe injured Buffon alone and keep the rest out because they look out of form.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Rab,

Those players are needed in this formation thats why. With this 4-4-1-1 crap. It's Ferrara who is deeming Del Piero surplus to requirements. I don't agree with what Ciro's logic is. Tonight Del Piero should of started in such a big game.
I'm not even talking about the formation. Andy is saying that Del Piero is out of form, I asked him who's in form? He think Chiellinis and Poulsen are(Poulsen looks like anything but inform).

He then says Del Piero shouldn't start because he's not in form, but who should start? Because last time I checked 90% if not more of our players were awful/useless/terrible.

Had the team been performing but Dp sucking then I would stay quiet. But if I want to go with Andy's wave, then Chiellini should start vs 11 players.
 

Nicholas

MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 30, 2008
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I'm not even talking about the formation. Andy is saying that Del Piero is out of form, I asked him who's in form? He think Chiellinis and Poulsen are(Poulsen looks like anything but inform).

He then says Del Piero shouldn't start because he's not in form, but who should start? Because last time I checked 90% if not more of our players were awful/useless/terrible.

Had the team been performing but Dp sucking then I would stay quiet. But if I want to go with Andy's wave, then Chiellini should start vs 11 players.
True. When we get the new manager hopefully we will see the best out of Del Piero when he is given a run out.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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Alex is my idol since 1994 and I love the guy as a player and as a person, but he isn't getting younger and has lost alot of pace and look really out of place in the few minutes ciro played him. It about time for us to invest heavily on a world class pure trequartista, and to get somebody like that we should pay in the region of 30-35 million for somebody like Aguero or in the region of 20-25 million for players like cassano or zarate(I am kind of scared from his attitude). Or we can try giovinco or diego in the trequartista position and go back to the 4-4-2 and enough experimenting with formations that doesn't make sense to out players. I truly hope that diego is played in the trequartista position because he is aint zidan and will never be. I think 4-4(2-2)-2 would be our best formation

Melo Sissoko
Gio Marchisio

Amuari Diego(trequartista)​
That is because his match fitness is equal to nothing. If he doesn't play he won't regain back his glory and touch.
Del Piero's leadership and creativity is so much needed during these periods, but as long as Ferrara doesn't give him space we will never see it again.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Another thing.

How can you give your best when your playing for 25/30min and the team is not running, everyone has given up? Did he receive a good chance/pass? Did he receive a decent opportunity inside the box?
 

Joe

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Dec 20, 2009
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HEY! :p Diego came very close in the first 10 minutes today actually. Making something out of nothing.
I agree, Diego was pressured from all angles but still attempted to make something out of nothing. If only luck was on his side, that may have been a goal.

The only players I have sympathy for are Diego, and Chiellini. I don't know why Diego is getting alot of bashing.
 
Aug 17, 2007
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:sergio:

Rab, i've had enough of this. they just don't understand that player must play in order to gain play time, and his form back. but of course, 45 mintues in the last 4 games should do the work ( 30 mintues of that was today. Ale ran all the 30 mintues after milan's defenders cause we didn't try anything. and yet, he got himself a FK and almost score).

And about those who actually blame DP...OMG...:sergio:

Ciro i hate you
Another thing.

How can you give your best when your playing for 25/30min and the team is not running, everyone has given up? Did he receive a good chance/pass? Did he receive a decent opportunity inside the box?
:tup: just what i said
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Andy seriously, you could perfectly saw today that he just needs a few minutes in his legs. I said it before, just look at the free kicks, first awful, second Diego like, third was on goal and I bet the a fourth one would have been even better placed and might be a goal. He just needs to do it, he can't to that in training but he has to get back on the pitch and learn to play again. He was out for months, sure he's not fit. But still he's a difference maker.
The match against the French, he did something Diego wasn't able to make the whole season long: creating a 100% chance out of nothing.
He needs to play at least 45 minutes a week to get back in the game, if not it won't change and are the other options we have any better?
I agree that he should get a start soon, but still, he doesn't seem like his normal self. And if that's the way he has looked in practice for Ciro, then maybe benching Alex is the correct decision.

Many folks here won't want to admit that he looks poor, which is understandable considering the player.

Why should Amauri, Diego, Cannavaro, Grygera, Melo, Grosso, Legro be given free ride in the team? Why 90% of the team should be given ride in the team?
I'm not saying they should. Nobody should have an automatic spot on the team, not even Del Piero. That's my point. But folks around here still think he deserves one, so I'm just pointing out he has been poor thus far.

Who was going to save us? Your out of form argument isn't logical Andy. No one in this team looks inform if that's what you want to say. Apart from Chiellini no one is. Even Poulsen and Marchisio aren't..

So if that's your theory/case, then we should field Chiellini with maybe injured Buffon alone and keep the rest out because they look out of form.
But this is again avoiding the topic at hand, which is Del Piero. It doesn't matter if everyone else is poor because even when that was the case in the past Del Piero stepped up to save our asses. If you take your BMW and run over Balotelli in a parking lot with no witnesses, I can't go kill somebody with my car and expect to say well, Rab did it and he didn't get caught, so why is it my fault?

Del Piero isn't doing the things he normally does when he's on the pitch, nor does he look like he can do them in his current state. So perhaps Ciro is right in not playing him. It's hard to say while not being at the training grounds, but still, I'm worried about the way Alex is looking. He should get a start though from time to time.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Another thing.

How can you give your best when your playing for 25/30min and the team is not running, everyone has given up? Did he receive a good chance/pass? Did he receive a decent opportunity inside the box?
Well, the argument can also be made that the opposition players are more fatigued at the later stages of the game, giving DP more of a chance to succeed in working his magic. But even when he steps on the pitch it looks like he's just played a game and a half nowadays.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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When Del Piero came in, at least he tried shooting on goal from long range free kicks, one of them was pretty close.
I am against a team being player dependent, but at the moment lets be honest with ourselves, we have to rely on Del Piero, Buffon and Trezeguet to get us out of this mess. I say formulate a formation that involves them playing as a starting 11. Meaning we have to play with two forwards.
I am also against changing formations alot, but we have reached to a point where it doesn't really matter so I say why not try a flat 4-4-2 with Diego on the right and Giovinco on the left.
Del Piero has to start regularly in all our games starting with the up coming one. There is nothing wrong with admitting that the team cannot function well without. He is one of the best footballers in history and one the very very few players in the world who has carried a very big team for over a decade.
 

SABSAB

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Dec 10, 2008
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I agree that he should get a start soon, but still, he doesn't seem like his normal self. And if that's the way he has looked in practice for Ciro, then maybe benching Alex is the correct decision.

Many folks here won't want to admit that he looks poor, which is understandable considering the player.
He looks poor. But it won't change if he doesn't get a proper run of playing time. I'm not even talking about starting. But let him play 45 a week and he'll get back in the game, the Season is over anyway, things can only become better.
I'm not saying he's untouchable, but why is Diego for example? He was as poor as Ale after his injury but he got the chance and the starting spot, why does someone who gives the club so much not get the same chance.
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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When Del Piero came in, at least he tried shooting on goal from long range free kicks, one of them was pretty close.
I am against a team being player dependent, but at the moment lets be honest with ourselves, we have to rely on Del Piero, Buffon and Trezeguet to get us out of this mess. I say formulate a formation that involves them playing as a starting 11. Meaning we have to play with two forwards.
I am also against changing formations alot, but we have reached to a point where it doesn't really matter so I say why not try a flat 4-4-2 with Diego on the right and Giovinco on the left.
Del Piero has to start regularly in all our games starting with the up coming one. There is nothing wrong with admitting that the team cannot function well without. He is one of the best footballers in history and one the very very few players in the world who has carried a very big team for over a decade.
In our game against Milan wasn't Diego playing on the right when Del Piero came in? He showed nothing there absolute nothing in terms of product, he did fought for evey ball possible though. We can see how good Marchisio is when played out of position. So why you want to use players out of their natural position is beyond me.

So acording to you Del Piero should start no matter what? Thats just wrong, no player except maybe goalkeer should have this privalege.

I think its about time to start getting used to times when Del Peiro will not be, and some even might say is not our main impact player. And what will you say next season? Lets keep him in the starting lineup too, because he is a legend and he has carried our team on numerous occasions before?
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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He looks poor. But it won't change if he doesn't get a proper run of playing time. I'm not even talking about starting. But let him play 45 a week and he'll get back in the game, the Season is over anyway, things can only become better.
I'm not saying he's untouchable, but why is Diego for example? He was as poor as Ale after his injury but he got the chance and the starting spot, why does someone who gives the club so much not get the same chance.
But Del Piero does get his chances, and doesn't take him. Because as Andy said, if he plays like this in training Ciro is right not starting him.

And I don't know about Diego, but I could argue about Melo's case, he certainly seems untachouble for some reason even with some horrendous performances.
 

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