So you are saying that after '98 Del Piero was world class? That he was in the same league as Henry, Shevchenko, or Ronaldinho now for example?
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So you are saying that after '98 Del Piero was world class? That he was in the same league as Henry, Shevchenko, or Ronaldinho now for example?
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I dont understand this comparing ages and classes.
First of all, about the CL finals, I personally think with Nedved and without Del Piero we would have won, that season Nedved really linked our midfield to our forwards and was worldclass hence european footballer.
As for DP being compared to Schevchenko, Henry...I think DP could have been compared to them before the injury but certainly not after.
The thing that we probably all agree on is that DP is a good role model and respectable leader. But his footballing performances haven't been great after '98 by my books.
First of all, about the CL finals, I personally think with Nedved and without Del Piero we would have won, that season Nedved really linked our midfield to our forwards and was worldclass hence european footballer.
As for DP being compared to Schevchenko, Henry...I think DP could have been compared to them before the injury but certainly not after.
The thing that we probably all agree on is that DP is a good role model and respectable leader. But his footballing performances haven't been great after '98 by my books.
How do you clasify world class ? Problem here is that you are sounding much cathegorical about some terms. And if we come to that, any player that has been selected to form major national teams (brasil,italy ,argentina,etc)can be considered world class.
Does Henry was world class when he was at Juventus ? Can a player be world class one season and not the next? Is Nedved or Ibra world class?
If we talk with the experts in football around the world, then, yes, DP is world class, even if he hasnt rise to the expectatives many people had made about his career.
A more focused aproach to the question could be ...Does DP is still really useful to Juventus ?
My subjective and very personal opinion is yes, he can be very useful to the team.
Does Henry was world class when he was at Juventus ? Can a player be world class one season and not the next? Is Nedved or Ibra world class?
If we talk with the experts in football around the world, then, yes, DP is world class, even if he hasnt rise to the expectatives many people had made about his career.
A more focused aproach to the question could be ...Does DP is still really useful to Juventus ?
My subjective and very personal opinion is yes, he can be very useful to the team.
I dont think many football experts around the world call DP World Class, most call him "Past it".
World Class is when a player is seriously considered to be among the best in the world at his position, so yes a player can be world class for a few seasons then not for a number of seasons.
Surely Henry wasn't world class when he was at Juve but he turned into one at Arsenal.
DP was World Class but hasnt been since a long time.
As for Contribution, my feeling is that DP still has a lot to give to Juve.
My ideal situation is that DP is given a new contract with less wages because he will not be our number 1 or number 2 striker/forward in the coming season but he is an awesome role model.
World Class is when a player is seriously considered to be among the best in the world at his position, so yes a player can be world class for a few seasons then not for a number of seasons.
Surely Henry wasn't world class when he was at Juve but he turned into one at Arsenal.
DP was World Class but hasnt been since a long time.
As for Contribution, my feeling is that DP still has a lot to give to Juve.
My ideal situation is that DP is given a new contract with less wages because he will not be our number 1 or number 2 striker/forward in the coming season but he is an awesome role model.
I think the biggest problem with DP is that he's always compared to the man he was pre-injury. I don't feel that's the right or fair approach. If a man is once the world's best footballer and after that he's only "good", having inconsistent seasons with both amazing moments and bitter disappointments, is it somehow less appreciative?
DP is NOT the player he was during 1996-1997 and he never will be again. So what? Many players have had those kind of runs (Rivaldo, anyone?). Still DP has contributed and even though he could've contributed more, saying he's a failure as a player or saying that he has been a complete disaster for the team is complete rubbish. Forget the past performances and his possible "potential", don't cry because he doesn't live up to the expectations which were made in 1996, because that's gone. Luckily he has been able to keep his bar pretty high compared to many other stars who have disappeared so quickly.
DP should be evaluated like any other player, and probably almost all will agree with me. It's just that some people say they do that and they can't see that they really don't. DP is a cult figure and because of his devoted fans and because of his glorious past some people are more eager to take a knock at him. Is it fair? What is fair, is life fair? It's not objective, that's for sure.
DP is an icon, a player who could've been the next Pele and who has always been expected to deliver magical moments. He's a target of unbelievable criticism that has gone beyond normal. DP has been critiziced for a reason, thanks to his on-and off-form, but as often he has been criticized unfairly because he's expected so much, maybe even too much?
I don't know what's the bottom line of my post but I hope some people have gotten something out of this.
When it's about Del Piero, everyone has an opinion. That tells something about him. No loser could be able to do that.
Maybe I should write another great DP poem...
DP is NOT the player he was during 1996-1997 and he never will be again. So what? Many players have had those kind of runs (Rivaldo, anyone?). Still DP has contributed and even though he could've contributed more, saying he's a failure as a player or saying that he has been a complete disaster for the team is complete rubbish. Forget the past performances and his possible "potential", don't cry because he doesn't live up to the expectations which were made in 1996, because that's gone. Luckily he has been able to keep his bar pretty high compared to many other stars who have disappeared so quickly.
DP should be evaluated like any other player, and probably almost all will agree with me. It's just that some people say they do that and they can't see that they really don't. DP is a cult figure and because of his devoted fans and because of his glorious past some people are more eager to take a knock at him. Is it fair? What is fair, is life fair? It's not objective, that's for sure.
DP is an icon, a player who could've been the next Pele and who has always been expected to deliver magical moments. He's a target of unbelievable criticism that has gone beyond normal. DP has been critiziced for a reason, thanks to his on-and off-form, but as often he has been criticized unfairly because he's expected so much, maybe even too much?
I don't know what's the bottom line of my post but I hope some people have gotten something out of this.
When it's about Del Piero, everyone has an opinion. That tells something about him. No loser could be able to do that.
Maybe I should write another great DP poem...
Well, I dont expect him to be the player he was back then, but he hasn't played good enough anyhow, especially considering the fact that with such low performances he was put ahead of an onform Di Viao and probably a potential Miccoli.
Nonetheless those were the past, I do think DP can contribute still to Juve, but I doubt he will do so as a first team regular for the coming seasons. Hopefully his form last throughout the offseason.
Nonetheless those were the past, I do think DP can contribute still to Juve, but I doubt he will do so as a first team regular for the coming seasons. Hopefully his form last throughout the offseason.
As John Madden, the U.S. NFL sportscaster, puts it so eloquently: "Winning is a great deodorant". But it was great seeing DP as if he made peace with how the season worked out in the end. I figure he was sitting on the bench in Livorno to make room for a little game time next week at home, myself.
Sorry if this has been posted before, but on another subject, anyone catch this photo of DP hanging out with the Gallagher brothers ( ):
http://www.gazzetta.it/sportweek/?rcsrid=gazz_hpsportweek
Sorry if this has been posted before, but on another subject, anyone catch this photo of DP hanging out with the Gallagher brothers (
):http://www.gazzetta.it/sportweek/?rcsrid=gazz_hpsportweek
++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
As John Madden, the U.S. NFL sportscaster, puts it so eloquently: "Winning is a great deodorant". But it was great seeing DP as if he made peace with how the season worked out in the end. I figure he was sitting on the bench in Livorno to make room for a little game time next week at home, myself.
Sorry if this has been posted before, but on another subject, anyone catch this photo of DP hanging out with the Gallagher brothers ( ):
http://www.gazzetta.it/sportweek/?rcsrid=gazz_hpsportweek
As John Madden, the U.S. NFL sportscaster, puts it so eloquently: "Winning is a great deodorant". But it was great seeing DP as if he made peace with how the season worked out in the end. I figure he was sitting on the bench in Livorno to make room for a little game time next week at home, myself.
Sorry if this has been posted before, but on another subject, anyone catch this photo of DP hanging out with the Gallagher brothers (
):http://www.gazzetta.it/sportweek/?rcsrid=gazz_hpsportweek
i am sure john means " winning is a great Old Spice deodorant"
Last news... or should I say gosip? anyway:
ALEX GOT MARRIED!!!???
Alex e Sonia si sposano per davvero
Le comunicazioni ufficiali sul matrimonio sono state depositate, qualche giorno fa, presso il Comune di Orbassano. Non si sa il giorno ma il periodo sì, fine giugno: la notizia, quindi, è ufficiale Alex Del Piero e l'eterna fidanzata Sonia Amoruso si sposano.
L'altra Signora, quella in bianconero, lo ha deliziato con lo scudetto ma non lo ha fatto certo sognare con il vivo conflitto con l'allenatore Capello e le troppe panchine. Dulcis in fundo, però, anche per Alex arriva il gol più importante, quello del matrimonio con la fidanzata.
Il numero 10 juventino, infatti, ha ceduto alle ripetute esortazioni della storica fidanzata e s'è deciso a convolare a giustissime nozze. Lei, per chi non lo sapesse è Sonia Amoruso, 26 anni, graziosa sorella del bomber del Messina (ed ex juventino) Nicola Amoruso.
La data delle nozze è tenuta segreta dalla coppia, notoriamente defilata e a poco agio alla luce della ribalta, ma è certo che il matrimonio Del Piero seguirà di poco quello "Totti". Alex e Sonia, che vivono in una villetta sui colli torinesi, coronano la loro felicissima unione al termine di quasi 6 anni di fidanzamento.
Come molti sanno, quello del matrimonio dei fidanzatini Del Piero è un tormentone che dura da anni e che spesso ha creato delle tensioni alla coppia. Sonia desidera coronare il suo sogno d’amore e sposarsi, mentre Alex ha sempre preso tempo pur rassicurandola che presto l'avrebbe portata all’altare.
Si dice che tale tormentone sia arrivato a livelli culmine nello spogliatoio bianconero che Ciro Ferrara e Paolo Montero spesso prendono in giro, a voce alta, lo stesso Pinturicchio canticchiando “Entro l’anno si sposa!”. Ora la voce, dopo tanti schiamazzi, ha preso i contorni del pettegolezzo con fondo di verità: a fine giugno Sonia e Alex sposi
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ALEX GOT MARRIED!!!???
Alex e Sonia si sposano per davvero
Le comunicazioni ufficiali sul matrimonio sono state depositate, qualche giorno fa, presso il Comune di Orbassano. Non si sa il giorno ma il periodo sì, fine giugno: la notizia, quindi, è ufficiale Alex Del Piero e l'eterna fidanzata Sonia Amoruso si sposano.
L'altra Signora, quella in bianconero, lo ha deliziato con lo scudetto ma non lo ha fatto certo sognare con il vivo conflitto con l'allenatore Capello e le troppe panchine. Dulcis in fundo, però, anche per Alex arriva il gol più importante, quello del matrimonio con la fidanzata.
Il numero 10 juventino, infatti, ha ceduto alle ripetute esortazioni della storica fidanzata e s'è deciso a convolare a giustissime nozze. Lei, per chi non lo sapesse è Sonia Amoruso, 26 anni, graziosa sorella del bomber del Messina (ed ex juventino) Nicola Amoruso.
La data delle nozze è tenuta segreta dalla coppia, notoriamente defilata e a poco agio alla luce della ribalta, ma è certo che il matrimonio Del Piero seguirà di poco quello "Totti". Alex e Sonia, che vivono in una villetta sui colli torinesi, coronano la loro felicissima unione al termine di quasi 6 anni di fidanzamento.
Come molti sanno, quello del matrimonio dei fidanzatini Del Piero è un tormentone che dura da anni e che spesso ha creato delle tensioni alla coppia. Sonia desidera coronare il suo sogno d’amore e sposarsi, mentre Alex ha sempre preso tempo pur rassicurandola che presto l'avrebbe portata all’altare.
Si dice che tale tormentone sia arrivato a livelli culmine nello spogliatoio bianconero che Ciro Ferrara e Paolo Montero spesso prendono in giro, a voce alta, lo stesso Pinturicchio canticchiando “Entro l’anno si sposa!”. Ora la voce, dopo tanti schiamazzi, ha preso i contorni del pettegolezzo con fondo di verità: a fine giugno Sonia e Alex sposi
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