Igor Tudor (306 Viewers)

[Al Birdie]

It's called realism instead of the usual 'we are Juventus' bullshit.

City is arguably better than this Real so what's the difference? Then simply beat them with everbody rested.

Edit: thought we avoided PSG. Well, we probably did 'tho.

Why do we bother playing at all?
After the mercato we should just ask you to line-up serie a from 1st to 20th and we could be done with the whole competition in 30minutes.

 

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[Robee]

Why do we bother playing at all?
After the mercato we should just ask you to line-up serie a from 1st to 20th and we could be done with the whole competition in 30minutes.

Injuries (like our current defence has), suspensions, form curves etc. influence a season much more than a one-off where many of those variables are known. But we could all tell you City would end higher than Juve if they'd play in Serie A, for sure. Which is why every fucking body is discontent with our current squad and would trade it for theirs.

 

[mondo1]

In bold: Thank you; which is why they played. Lol?

It's called realism instead of the usual 'we are Juventus' bullshit.

City is arguably better than this Real so what's the difference? Then simply beat them with everbody rested and you actually have an easier QF.

Edit: thought we avoided PSG.

Real under Alonso looks like a new team and city was still a mess weeks ago.

There’s nothing to avoid as this will be the last round anyways. Let’s forget about this cwc but things won’t change for the new season. If you still believe in this squad / coach and management, that’s great - I wont.

We will play 38 friendlies against some random Italian team and get knocked out of Europe asap.


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[Robee]

Real under Alonso looks like a new team and city was still a mess weeks ago.

There’s nothing to avoid as this will be the last round anyways. Let’s forget about this cwc but things won’t change for the new season. If you still believe in this squad / coach and management, that’s great - I wont.

We will play 38 friendlies against some random Italian team and get knocked out of Europe asap.


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I actually don't believe in it. I just get why the decision was made to rotate.

'though I hope I'm wrong and the mercato turns out squad around.

 

[mondo1]

I actually don't believe in it. I just get why the decision was made to rotate.

'though I hope I'm wrong and the mercato turns out squad around.

That’s fine - we just disagree at this point. But actually I don’t understand most of the decisions the club made the last years. Cutting Weah and mbabgula was another one which I don’t agree with.

And I fail to imagine how Comolli will turn it around. Also our squad is such a mess and we have a mediocre coach, maybe it’s time to accept the state of the club and try something new. We should concentrate on young talents and low wages - we are not going to get top established player anyways


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[JuvePerSempre10]

This discussion is silly. Let’s throw in the towel every time we face a superior team then? if load management was a concern for some players, reduce their intensity during training, or just rest 2/3 starters, not your 5 best players.

The benefits of topping our group far outweighed the extra hour of rest the players got. We could have avoided this embarrassment, and we had a realistic path to the semis or even final, facing beatable teams. That means prestige and money. We have no idea how this tournament is going to be perceived in 5/10 years and winning it would have meant something for us since we have no realistic shot at European trophies for at least the next decade (and that’s being optimistic).

 

[Al Birdie]

Injuries (like our current defence has), suspensions, form curves etc. influence a season much more than a one-off where many of those variables are known. But we could all tell you City would end higher than Juve if they'd play in Serie A, for sure. Which is why every fucking body is discontent with our current squad and would trade it for theirs.

So you can only dish out points before each matchday? i guess that could work too.

 

[Xperd]

In bold: Thank you; which is why they played. Lol?

It's called realism instead of the usual 'we are Juventus' bullshit.

City is arguably better than this Real so what's the difference? Then simply beat them with everbody rested and you actually have an easier QF.

Edit: thought we avoided PSG.

According to your 'realistic' takes, Botafago would have no business beating reigning CL holders PSG or Benfica beating Bayern

Maybe all the other clubs in the competition should preach your 'realism' mantra, call it a day and just hand over the trophy to Real or City.

 

[Robee]

According to your 'realistic' takes, Botafago would have no business beating reigning CL holders PSG or Benfica beating Bayern

Maybe all the other clubs in the competition should preach your 'realism' mantra, call it a day and just hand over the trophy to Real or City.

Yeah, they don't. It's more proof this competition is nothing more than some glorified preseason throphy.

This discussion is silly. Let’s throw in the towel every time we face a superior team then? if load management was a concern for some players, reduce their intensity during training, or just rest 2/3 starters, not your 5 best players.

The benefits of topping our group far outweighed the extra hour of rest the players got. We could have avoided this embarrassment, and we had a realistic path to the semis or even final, facing beatable teams. That means prestige and money. We have no idea how this tournament is going to be perceived in 5/10 years and winning it would have meant something for us since we have no realistic shot at European trophies for at least the next decade (and that’s being optimistic).

Ooh no, not even close. But in these silly games? No problem to give some subs a chance to me.

Again; we're rested and basically face the same challenge as against City now. Nothing was lost.

How it's going to be viewed? Com on dude... Barca isn't even there and outside of Europe it's all downhill...

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That’s fine - we just disagree at this point. But actually I don’t understand most of the decisions the club made the last years. Cutting Weah and mbabgula was another one which I don’t agree with.

And I fail to imagine how Comolli will turn it around. Also our squad is such a mess and we have a mediocre coach, maybe it’s time to accept the state of the club and try something new. We should concentrate on young talents and low wages - we are not going to get top established player anyways


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Yeah, the way that deal was being pushed doesn't predict many good things. I give Tudor and Comolli the benefit of doubt for now. I'll wait and see. But a lot has to happen to turn this team around to where it used to be...

 

[Xperd]

What absolute clownery from this guy and to top it off Robee's mental gymnastics to defend his clearly ridiculous decisions

Instead of fielding a full strength team against City, he instead proceeds to throat Pep and call them a 'different level' team

Lets hope for his sake, he loses with dignity against Madrid.

 

[PhRoZeN]

He needs to fix the defence, but with a defence like ours his work is impossible. The best thing he could have done was focus on attack, and maybe we could have been shitty.

That's all in the past, he's blessed with a chance to redeem himself. This is your turn. Real haven't been convincing up till now. Yes they've given salzburg a good showing but their first two matches were hardly top pedigree. We should take solace and believe in that, yes we're gonna suffer, but you need to instill the suffering in the players, get them focused and pull off a decent performance. If we lose so be it but please for fucks sake show us some pride.

 

[campionesidd]

Yeah, they don't. It's more proof this competition is nothing more than some glorified preseason throphy.


Ooh no, not even close. But in these silly games? No problem to give some subs a chance to me.

Again; we're rested and basically face the same challenge as against City now. Nothing was lost.

How it's going to be viewed? Com on dude... Barca isn't even there and outside of Europe it's all downhill...

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Yeah, the way that deal was being pushed doesn't predict many good things. I give Tudor and Comolli the benefit of doubt for now. I'll wait and see. But a lot has to happen to turn this team around to where it used to be...

How are these games meaningless? It’s a great way to attract a new fanbase. The trophy will be way more prestigious than the annual editions of the CWC. Plus the money you can get by going all the way to the final is almost comparable to what you earn in the CL.

Finally, we are Juventus. Winning is the only the thing that counts. Be it a pre-season training game against Juve next-gen or the CL final against Real Madrid.

 

[PhRoZeN]

At club level only CL is better, and probably league, if someone tells me this CWC is lower than Europa League they deserve to be beaten up by their wife.

 

[Xperd]

At club level only CL is better, and probably league, if someone tells me this CWC is lower than Europa League they deserve to be beaten up by their wife.

Nah, I value CWC over Serie A for sure. Not just for the money but the fact that it's an international trophy and we haven't won one in like 3 decades. This tournament will clearly get bigger and more lucrative in the coming decades especially if it's organized once every 4 years.

 

[campionesidd]

True, certainly. You also do so by not ignoring half of the team at a tournament that already shortened their vacation. And not playing them now, would've basically meant not playing them at all. So whether we agree with it or not because that's everyone's personal vision on it, it's perfectly explicable why.

Imo we didn't have a great chance to finish first. As soon as City was drawn in our group we were second at best without a miracle. City is one of the three best teams in the world. They just happened to have a hiccup period past season but they're certainly still up there in terms of quality.

Oh so now you care about players not getting enough rest. Yet on the Bremer thread you said that putting him in the CWC wouldn’t be rushing him in.

It's not rushing anymore in this timeline; it would be a sign something is off like with Chiesa...

We need our wall back from the minute preseason starts. Match intensity can never fully be mimicked in the gym or training. So to have him ready for the season...

This just proves to me you’re just a contrarian troll who will argue with the consensus just for the heck of it.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Nah, I value CWC over Serie A for sure. Not just for the money but the fact that it's an international trophy and we haven't won one in like 3 decades. This tournament will clearly get bigger and more lucrative in the coming decades especially if it's organized once every 4 years.

I agree, its just a comment for the purists.

We've won enough serie Asses for now, what i would do to win CL or CWC...

I think people's issue is the timing of the tournament, but then not everyone gets a chance to play at a world stage. In the past you'd have to win the CL, which for us is impossible so we should make the most of it. The last dance? No

 

[Xperd]

I agree, its just a comment for the purists.

We've won enough serie Asses for now, what i would do to win CL or CWC...

I think people's issue is the timing of the tournament, but then not everyone gets a chance to play at a world stage. In the past you'd have to win the CL, which for us is impossible so we should make the most of it. The last dance? No

When Madrid were winning CL for fun in the 60s, Im sure you would have had a bunch of Robee's back then too questioning the credibility of the tournament and calling it a preseason cup. But fact is they have 15 CL's, 5 of them coming from that era. We can't change that.

I can only see this getting bigger especially if Saudi clubs end up being successful and we all know how much influence the Saudi's carry these days over world football.

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Oh so now you care about players not getting enough rest. Yet on the Bremer thread you said that putting him in the CWC wouldn’t be rushing him in.




This just proves to me you’re just a contrarian troll who will argue with the consensus just for the heck of it.

Speaking of contrarian trolls, where is Lion?

Has Inda's misery KO'd him so bad that he refuses to return to Tuz?

 

[Robee]

Oh so now you care about players not getting enough rest. Yet on the Bremer thread you said that putting him in the CWC wouldn’t be rushing him in.

Lol, really!? One guy needs to step up his fitness. He has been training with the team now, which is great. The usual timetable isn't being rushed at all here, in contrary. Clear for everyone with some medical knowledge. 'though it must be said every rehab is different.

The others have 3 seasons without a decent rest in their schedule (CWC and WC). That's the -very obvious- difference. No need to rest when he hasn't played in 9 months, lol.

 

[Nenz]

I agree, its just a comment for the purists.

We've won enough serie Asses for now, what i would do to win CL or CWC...

I think people's issue is the timing of the tournament, but then not everyone gets a chance to play at a world stage. In the past you'd have to win the CL, which for us is impossible so we should make the most of it. The last dance? No

That's it. All the European teams that had long cup runs are arguably at their weakest at this time of year. They're mentally on holiday. Players are coming and going, managers are just starting out. It's also in the U.S. which makes it seem plastic and fake. Only the South-American fans are saving face for FIFA.
A world-wide CL-like competition is a great concept though. Why shouldn't the big South-American and Saudi clubs play European teams in a meaningful competition?

 

[Vlad]

Did this briliantly. Got smashed by City and now Real. Why competing for anything. Take the 4th place. Trophies only build egos.