If you want religious nuts... (26 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

Well consider the source.

The main problem I have with religion myself is that there is nothing in the Bible or the Qur'an that I, as a writer, could not have come up with myself. Now I have been to Church and I have honestly tried to take the whole thing seriously but every time I thought I almost had it, I was revulsed by a vision of a b.C. Hemingway laughing hysterically in his grave.

I seriously doubt that There's stuff written in the Qur'an historians and scientists wonder how someone who lived thousands of years ago, not to mention, an illiterate person knew off thousands of years ago. I could go further into this but this isn't a religious thread. But, in the end, none of the religions would work for you anyway, because none condone homosexuality.

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

You know what you could do? Make a godlovescanada.com website, where you cite their website as fact, but you say that you have more recent information than they do and that since their site was made, God has changed his policy, and your site is an expression of that.

are you gonna host the website for me? i just learned html basics, could come to use

 

[Martin]

are you gonna host the website for me? i just learned html basics, could come to use

I wouldn't, but Marty might.

 

[Martin]

I seriously doubt that There's stuff written in the Qur'an historians and scientists wonder how someone who lived thousands of years ago, not to mention, an illiterate person knew off thousands of years ago. I could go further into this but this isn't a religious thread. But, in the end, none of the religions would work for you anyway, because none condone homosexuality.

So just pick one of them and apply a homosexualty-acceptance patch and with the patched version, it will work fine.

 

[Rami]

Well consider the source.

The main problem I have with religion myself is that there is nothing in the Bible or the Qur'an that I, as a writer, could not have come up with myself. Now I have been to Church and I have honestly tried to take the whole thing seriously but every time I thought I almost had it, I was revulsed by a vision of a b.C. Hemingway laughing hysterically in his grave.

I don't know about the Bible, but I doubt you could do it for the Quran, you see, the moment the Quran is translated it looses its beauty and becomes just an interpertation of something...there is no translation of it.

"... The Qur'an cannot be translated. ...The book is here rendered almost literally and every effort has been made to choose befitting language. But the result is not the Glorious Qur'an, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy. It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Qur'an-and peradventure something of the charm in English. It can never take the place of the Qur'an in Arabic, nor is it meant to do so..." [Marmaduke Pickthall, 1930]

 

[Rami]

So just pick one of them and apply a homosexualty-acceptance patch and with the patched version, it will work fine.

You want to fork religions now?

 

[Martin]

Why not, it's been done to death already

 

[Rami]

Why not, it's been done to death already

It has, but I meant you want to start ur own cult??

 

[Martin]

Not me, I was just helping Ze fix the problem

 

[Slagathor]

I seriously doubt that There's stuff written in the Qur'an historians and scientists wonder how someone who lived thousands of years ago, not to mention, an illiterate person knew off thousands of years ago. I could go further into this but this isn't a religious thread. But, in the end, none of the religions would work for you anyway, because none condone homosexuality.

Mhm that tells me enough.

I don't know about the Bible, but I doubt you could do it for the Quran, you see, the moment the Quran is translated it looses its beauty and becomes just an interpertation of something...there is no translation of it.

Oh don't give me that. The vast majority of Muslims can't read and fully comprehend those ancient Arabic texts to start with. Add to that the fact that the cultures and societies in question have evolved so galactically from those when the books were originally written and there is no question about it that modern interpretations differ at least slightly from the original ones.

Besides, that's not the point. The point is that the three major religions are based on books, stories, that might very well have been fictional works in their time that were later wrongfully assumed to be holy works with real meaning.

In essence, the morals and hidden advices in the stories resemble those in Greek and other mythologies. There is no distinct literary difference.

 

[Rami]

Mhm that tells me enough.



Oh don't give me that. The vast majority of Muslims can't read and fully comprehend those ancient Arabic texts to start with. Add to that the fact that the cultures and societies in question have evolved so galactically from those when the books were originally written and there is no question about it that modern interpretations differ at least slightly from the original ones.

Besides, that's not the point. The point is that the three major religions are based on books, stories, that might very well have been fictional works in their time that were later wrongfully assumed to be holy works with real meaning.

In essence, the morals and hidden advices in the stories resemble those in Greek and other mythologies. There is no distinct literary difference.

You seem to have your mind set and not willing to discuss...So I'll just leave it that...

 

[Hambon]

:rofl2:

Your just looking for trouble...

 

[3pac]

www .godapparentlyhateseverybodysoitisntparticularlyimportant.gov

 

[Ahmed]

www.bhenchod.com

he CERTAINLY loves this guy...

 

[Slagathor]

You seem to have your mind set and not willing to discuss...So I'll just leave it that...

With all due respect: neither do you. Not really. From the impression I get: deep down you don't care what I think, not even the slightest bit because whatever I say doesn't matter. I'm going to hell anyway.

Or am I way off?

 

[Rami]

With all due respect: neither do you. Not really. From the impression I get: deep down you don't care what I think, not even the slightest bit because whatever I say doesn't matter. I'm going to hell anyway.

Or am I way off?

You are way off, I always given these discussions top priority, and always try to represent my religion and people in a good way.

But starting a discussion with "Don't give me that", isn't really encouraging now is it?? And I do care what you think actually, but sometimes changing what a man believe's in is harder than moving mountains. And this is what I sensed from you....

Am I mistaken??

 

[Seven]

You're right. I'd rather have some Muslim blow himself to pieces, taking a dozen others along with him, than have to listen that crazy talk.

Well yeah, but you're gay .

 

[Seven]

Mhm that tells me enough.



Oh don't give me that. The vast majority of Muslims can't read and fully comprehend those ancient Arabic texts to start with. Add to that the fact that the cultures and societies in question have evolved so galactically from those when the books were originally written and there is no question about it that modern interpretations differ at least slightly from the original ones.

Besides, that's not the point. The point is that the three major religions are based on books, stories, that might very well have been fictional works in their time that were later wrongfully assumed to be holy works with real meaning.

In essence, the morals and hidden advices in the stories resemble those in Greek and other mythologies. There is no distinct literary difference.

Erik, I think written Arabic didn't change much over the centuries. The Qu'ran has also never been altered, unlike the Bible. I have a friend who studies Arabic and he claims pretty much every muslim is able to read it.

About your point, that's something the entire western world agrees about. At least everyone who has ever gone to universitary. Neither christianity or islam can be considered as of more value than ancient Greek myths. Believing in Jawhe is no more advisable than believing in Poseidon.

 

[Rami]

Erik, I think written Arabic didn't change much over the centuries. The Qu'ran has also never been altered, unlike the Bible. I have a friend who studies Arabic and he claims pretty much every muslim is able to read it.

About your point, that's something the entire western world agrees about. At least everyone who has ever gone to universitary. Neither christianity or islam can be considered as of more value than ancient Greek myths. Believing in Jawhe is no more advisable than believing in Poseidon.

Blue: Very true, the Quran was preserved through a system called "Ijaza". I do not know if you know this, but the Quran is memorized completely by millions of Muslims to the letter. And I mean litterally to the letter, if one read "I" instead of "A" he will find millions who will correct him. Anyways this "Ijaza", which means "permission", where a teacher or sheikh who is "permitted" teaches his students the Quran and helps them memorize it, when the shiekh feels one of his students has memorized the Quran to the letter and understands it he is given an "ijaza" or permission to teach and so on....People who memorize the Quran today could trace back their teachers up to the Prophet, there is about 40 generations today....

Quran also was preserved through manuscripts, the Quran was shortly assembled after the prophets death, by the memorizers of that time. Then Othman, the third caliph, copied 7 and distributed it around the Islamic empire, so each region would have one. Othman was assisinated while he was reading one of these copies. It is called "Moshaf Othman", it has his blood on it, and preserved in Istanbul now. If you compare today's Quran with that you will find them identical.

And true most Muslim's would be able to read it to varying degrees of comprehension and understanding of course. But the claim that it is ancient couldnt be more farther than the truth. The Arabic language has been very much preserved, a Christian Arab could pretty much understand most of it without going back to a reference...I would wager that even our loveable stonehead Jack would understand 80% of it off the bat

Red: George Bernard Shaw, seems to disagree with you. Or didn't he graduate from a university??

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of
existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

 

[Martin]

Rami, what I find particularly upsetting about Islam is that there is no interfaith marriage.