"I support Muslims who love freedom" (7 Viewers)

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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Agree. Physical discipline does nothing positive for children.

But I don't get what you mean with that part about dogs. If I saw you hit a dog I'd slap you silly, motherfucker.
I didn't mean hitting for the dogs, meant to say physical punishment like the electrical collars and how they learn good and bad by getting it stuck in their heads. Kids need to have it explained.
 

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ßöмßäяðîëя;2907541 said:
That's a Rec-7, made by Barrett in Tennessee. It used to be called the M468.
"This time, if Martin Luther comes around with another 95 theses, the Catholic Church is ready..."
 
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Nedvěd;2907740 said:
Wrong. Child beating doesn't build character.
You're incredibly clever at picking up sarcasm. In fact, I am going to nominate you for the most competent sarcasm detector of the year. Congratulations.
 
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Martin

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    In these turbulent times we need more love.



    Scandalous scene to some Catholics, of course, who suggested that he wasn't kissing it, just smelling it (you know that new book smell?). Seems unlikely, though, cause this guy was an obsessive kisser [of physical objects], even kissed the tarmac at the airport every time he landed somewhere.
     

    alvin_89er

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    Geert Wilders (yea, him). See if you can read it for the argument it makes without flying off the handle.

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    "I support Muslims who love freedom"
    WHY GEERT WILDERS TAKES ISSUE WITH ISLAM

    Islam critic Geert Wilders, the populist, is not socially
    acceptable enough to appear with his Freedom Party in the Dutch
    coalition government to participate, but perhaps providing support
    from the benches of the opposition. But what is socially acceptable
    about his criticism of Islam?

    I first visited an Islamic country in 1982. I was 18 years and
    traveled with a Dutch friend from the Israeli town of Eilat to the
    Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el Sheikh. We were two students with
    backpacks and we had almost nothing. We slept on the beach and found
    hospitality by Egyptians, who spontaneously invited us to tea. I
    remember clearly my first impression of Egypt, I was overwhelmed by
    the friendliness and helpfulness of the people.

    I also remember my second strong impression of Egypt: I noticed how
    scared those nice, friendly people were. While we were in Sharm el
    Sheikh, President Hosni Mubarak came to visit. I remember the fear
    that suddenly flooded the city when it was announced that Mubarak was
    coming. I can still see the procession of black cars on the day of his
    visit and I can still feel the almost physical sense of fear, as a
    chill on that sweltering summer day.

    It was a strange experience, Mubarak is not considered as the worst
    tyrant in the Muslim world, yet the fear of ordinary Egyptians for
    their leader was palpable. I wonder how the Saudis feel when their
    king is in town, how the Libyans feel as President Moammar Gaddafi
    announces his arrival, how the Iraqis must have felt when Saddam
    Hussein was near.

    A few years later I read in the Qur'an how the seventh-century Arabs
    felt in the presence of Muhammad, which, as several verses describe
    "threw terror into their hearts" (Sura 8:12, 8:60, 33:26, 59:12).

    From Sharm el Sheikh, I went with my friend to Cairo. The city was
    poor and dirty. My friend and I were surprised that this poor and
    dirty Egypt could be a neighbor of Israel, which was so clean and
    prosperous. The explanation of the Arabs, with whom we spoke about
    their poverty, was that they were in no way to blame: they were
    victims of a global conspiracy of the "imperialists" and the
    "Zionists", designed to keep Muslims poor and subservient. I found the
    explanation unconvincing. According to my intuition it had something
    to do with the different cultures of Israel and Egypt.

    Churchill

    In the last years of the nineteenth century, Winston Churchill was
    soldier and war correspondent in British India (now Pakistan) and
    Sudan. Churchill was an astute young man. Months in Pakistan and Sudan
    enabled him tounderstand with stunning clarity what the problem is
    with Islam. "Besides the fanatical frenzy, ..., there is that awful
    fatalistic apathy," he wrote. "The consequences are seen in many
    countries. Where the followers of the Prophet rule or live, there are
    careless habits, inefficient systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
    of commerce and uncertainty of ownership. Individual Moslems may show
    splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyzes the
    social development of its followers. " And Churchill concluded: "There
    is no stronger backwards force in the world."

    Some people say that I hate Muslims. I do not hate the Muslims. It
    makes me sad that Islam has deprived them of their dignity.

    What Islam is doing to Muslims is reflected in the way they deal with
    their daughters. On March 11, 2002 fifteen Saudi schoolgirls were
    killed when they tried to flee from their burning school in the holy
    city of Mecca. A fire set the building ablaze. The girls ran to the
    school gate, but it was locked. The keys were held by a male guard who
    refused to open the gate, because the girls are not wearing the proper
    Islamic dress which the Saudi law requires women to wear: facial veil
    and dress. The 'indecently dressed' girls (without facial veil) were
    trying frantically to save their young lives. The Saudi police hit
    them back into the burning building. Agents of the Muttawa, the
    "Committee for the promotion of virtue and prevention of sin," as the
    religious police in Saudi Arabia are called also beat passersby and
    firefighters who tried to help the girls. "It is sinful to come near
    them," the police warned the crowd. It's not only sinful, it is also a
    crime.

    Girls are not valued in Islam. When a father receives a daughter,
    according to the Quran, "his face turns black of dark depression"
    (Sura 43:15). Nevertheless the incident in the school in Mecca brought
    angry reactions. Islam is inhumane, but Muslims are humans and
    therefore capable of love - the mighty power that Muhammad despised.
    Humanity prevailed in the fathers in Mecca who were trying to save
    their daughters. Humanity also prevailed in the firefighters who
    resisted when the Muttawa hit the girls back inside. Humanity
    prevailed, too, in the journalists of a Saudi newspaper who, for the
    first time in history, criticized the feared and powerful "committee
    for the promotion of virtue and prevention of sin."

    But Muslim protests against Islamic inhumanity are rare. Most Muslims
    in Western countries go to the mosque and listen to shocking verses
    being preached from the Koran without revolting against them.

    Pedophile

    I myself am agnostic. But Christians and Jews believe that God created
    man in His image. They believe they can get closer to their God by
    observing themselves as free, rational beings who are capable of love.
    They may even argue with him, as the Jews do their entire history. The
    Quran states however that "there is nothing equal to Allah" (Sura
    16:74, 42:11). He has absolutely nothing in common with us. It is
    absurd to suppose that Allah has created man in his image. The
    biblical notion that God is our father, does not exist in Islam. There
    is no personal relationship between man and Allah. The goal of Islam
    is total submission of ourselves and others to the unknowable God, and
    total obedience to Muhammad as leader of the Islamic State (Sura 3:31,
    4:80, 24:62, 1948 : 10, 57:28). History has taught us that Muhammad
    was certainly no prophet of love and compassion, but a mass murderer,
    a tyrant and a pedophile. The Muslims could not have chose a more
    regrettable role model.

    Without individual freedom, it is not surprising that the idea of man
    as a responsible person is not very developed in Islam. Muslims are
    often fatalistic. Maybe - and let us hope - only a few radicals take
    seriously the call of the Quran for a jihad against the infidels. But
    most Muslims never raise their voices against these radicals. That is
    the "terrible fatalistic apathy" that Churchill meant.

    Islam deprives Muslims of their freedom. That is unfortunate, because
    free people are capable of great things, as history has shown. The
    Arabic, Turkish, Iranian, Indian and Indonesian peoples have a huge
    potential. If they weren't prisoners of Islam, if they could free
    themselves from Islam's burden, if they would get rid of the evil
    Quran and if they could cease viewing Muhammad as a role model, they
    could be capable of great things. Not just for their own benefit, but
    for the benefit of the world.

    As a Dutch, European and Western politician my first responsibility
    lies with the Dutch people, the Europeans and the West. But we will
    all benefit if Muslims are liberated from Islam and I therefore
    strongly support the Muslims who love freedom. My message to them is
    clear: Fatalism is not an option, "insjallah" is a curse, submission
    is a disgrace. Free yourself. It is up to you.

    GEERT WILDERS
    WHO? Leader of the Dutch Freedom Party. WHAT? Muslims are not the
    problem, Islam is. WHY? Islam preaches fatalism and lack of freedom.

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    I actually don't know very much about Wilders, I just keep seeing how people are revolted by his political ideas.

    But his politics be what they may, it's an interesting observation about apathy. Which sort of agrees with my anecdotal impression of the way many people are, resigned to it.
    Pointless article, poor attempt at wind-up. He should be more worried about his own" religion", which has no creditability. Father Christmas? holy ghost? half man - half god?, god's son? god? first testament? last testament? changing the context in your own "holy" book? sad little man, his whole belief is fantasy, never mind though:tup::lol:
     
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