Hypocritical, anonymous silence about doping and fixed games (3 Viewers)

[Erkka]

I've doublechecked but I still might be wrong... There are no threads or even mentions about the fixed games that the romans did last spring, no thread about sir Stanley Matthews admitting that he ate pills that made him busy and staying up the nights, no thread about Mazzola's brother saying that his brother and the whole "grande" inter were a bunch of doped monsters back in the sixties... While there are topics for the most useless issues that anyone can come up to...

 

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[Seven]

Denmark - Sweden.
One of the most repulsive games ever IMO. Don't give me that "it was coincidence" shit. Everyone in the stadium was rooting for 2-2 and Sorensen just happened to make a crucial mistake in the final few minutes right?


Italy - South Corea
I don't think anyone here, bar gray, still believes that South Corea wasn't somewhat sponsered by a higher power. For me as an Azzurri fan, this was the lowest football could get.

South Corea - Spain
Pretty much the same, but what was even more disturbing in this game was that we had already had the game versus Italy. While everyone was expecting a closely monitored and fair game, we got even more "human errors".



Just wanted to let it out Erkka .

 

[Bozi]

not that anyone else will care but
1985/86 season
hearts top of the league on the last day. celtic needing us to lose and to win by 5 goals v st.mirren. we lose hard game away to dundee ansd surprise surprise celtic beat the team from just outside glasgow 5-0 worst day of my life

 

[V]

don't be like that, we care. i care.

 

[peckface]

bah of course the that game will get crap on a juventus forum, but that wasn't the first time sörensen ****ed up in such ways, plus sweden tend to score mostly in the second half.

That 'coincidence' was imo the only suspect thing in the game.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++
bah of course the that game will get crap on a juventus forum, but that wasn't the first time sörensen ****ed up in such ways, plus sweden tend to score mostly in the second half.

That 'coincidence' was imo the only suspect thing in the game.

Look:

2-2 would see both Denmark and Sweden through and Italy out.
Everyone knows this before the game starts.

The final result of the game was 2-2.

How is that not suspicious?



Sure it happens a lot, but it still isn't alright. You can't fix games like that.

 

[Erkka]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
Denmark - Sweden.
One of the most repulsive games ever IMO. Don't give me that "it was coincidence" shit. Everyone in the stadium was rooting for 2-2 and Sorensen just happened to make a crucial mistake in the final few minutes right?

The stakes for Sörensen were'nt high at all, he just didn't care. I still believe it wasn't arranged with money, mostly about mind games and warm relationship with neighbours.

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
Italy - South Corea
I don't think anyone here, bar gray, still believes that South Corea wasn't somewhat sponsered by a higher power. For me as an Azzurri fan, this was the lowest football could get.

South Corea - Spain
Pretty much the same, but what was even more disturbing in this game was that we had already had the game versus Italy. While everyone was expecting a closely monitored and fair game, we got even more "human errors".

Just wanted to let it out Erkka .

So please remind me of the championships that the home team weren't helped by the referees? The worst example is probably from 1934, not from 2002. I think that was purely natural favouring, the same that Juve and other big teams get.

...Next time spell Korea better.

e: Seven, what about the recent betting scandals in Belgium?

 

[peckface]

I understand people being suspicious, they have every right to. But the most repulsive game ever?

 

[Erkka]

++ [ originally posted by Bozi.78 ] ++
not that anyone else will care but
1985/86 season
hearts top of the league on the last day. celtic needing us to lose and to win by 5 goals v st.mirren. we lose hard game away to dundee ansd surprise surprise celtic beat the team from just outside glasgow 5-0 worst day of my life

Perfect example. What about Argentina at the World Cup of '78?

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++
I understand people being suspicious, they have every right to. But the most repulsive game ever?

One of the. And not so much because they obviously fixed it, but because of the Scandinavian reactions towards Italy afterwards.

"We're Scandinavian, you're Italian. Who's most likely to fix a game?"

Pretty much a racist comment IMO, but they got away with it.

 

[peckface]

I don't agree on anything being obvious, though I guess that doesn't matter.

I agree we weren't exactly angels and i know we rubbed it in their faces, though the Italians did quite a good job taunting us. I don't want to point fingers, I'm absolutely not proud of our behavior.

++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++
The stakes for Sörensen were'nt high at all, he just didn't care. I still believe it wasn't arranged with money, mostly about mind games and warm relationship with neighbours.

Could be, but the Danes doesn't exactly love us.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

the worst and most racist match fixing was that of 1982 between germany and austria. Funny how in the same world cup a famous later juventino match fixer turned out to be a hero

 

[Erkka]

++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++

Could be, but the Danes doesn't exactly love us.

Oh it is. I'm Finnish, I should know. To be honest, in a situation like that, when your own qualification is certain, I wouldn't really care either, it's all natural. Italians just love their consipiracy theories, it's nothing new, but the Swedish and Danes acted very foolishly too just like you admitted.

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
the worst and most racist match fixing was that of 1982 between germany and austria. Funny how in the same world cup a famous later juventino match fixer turned out to be a hero

Another very nice example. A goal and then dull kicking for 80 minutes.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


The stakes for Sörensen were'nt high at all, he just didn't care. I still believe it wasn't arranged with money, mostly about mind games and warm relationship with neighbours.



So please remind me of the championships that the home team weren't helped by the referees? The worst example is probably from 1934, not from 2002. I think that was purely natural favouring, the same that Juve and other big teams get.

...Next time spell Korea better.

e: Seven, what about the recent betting scandals in Belgium?

I don't believe it was arranged with money either. But that still doesn't allow you to fix the result .

The home team has always been helped, but not that much. South Korea was a joke and a scandal. It was NOT natural favouring, it was just too much Erkka. I don't really know how Korea is spelled in English, I've seen it written with a C and a K. And don't tell me to spell it better, because you do write it with a K in dutch .

I don't really know much about those betting scandals and I don't think anyone else does either. It's clear something is going on though, because suddenly there are huge amounts involved when small clubs play against each other.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


Oh it is. I'm Finnish, I should know. To be honest, in a situation like that, when your own qualification is certain, I wouldn't really care either, it's all natural. Italians just love their consipiracy theories, it's nothing new, but the Swedish and Danes acted very foolishly too just like you admitted.



Another very nice example. A goal and then dull kicking for 80 minutes.

So germany - austria was a sure fix, while denmark - sweden was coincidental?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


So germany - austria was a sure fix, while denmark - sweden was coincidental?

You have to see the game to realize how pathetic it was; that probably was the worst moment in the history of the world cup ( excluding the world cup of Chile which is a totally different story)

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++


You have to see the game to realize how pathetic it was; that probably was the worst moment in the history of the world cup ( excluding the world cup of Chile which is a totally different story)

I know about the game, I saw a part of it. But Denmark-Sweden was just as odd to be fair. Agreed, Germany-Austria was more obvious, but still..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


I know about the game, I saw a part of it. But Denmark-Sweden was just as odd to be fair. Agreed, Germany-Austria was more obvious, but still..

btw maybe part of the reason why you're not so popular around here is that your avatar looks dubiously like a real madrid jersey

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++


btw maybe part of the reason why you're not so popular around here is that your avatar looks dubiously like a real madrid jersey

Yeah, that's because Centro was sold to Real Madrid, because Juventuz wanted to get rid of him.

 

[Erkka]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++

The home team has always been helped, but not that much. South Korea was a joke and a scandal. It was NOT natural favouring, it was just too much Erkka.

It was natural favouring, just like the treatment that Iuliano got when he punched R9 down.

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
I don't really know much about those betting scandals and I don't think anyone else does either. It's clear something is going on though, because suddenly there are huge amounts involved when small clubs play against each other.

The Chinese did the same thing back here in Finland, he bought a club, filled it with Belgians and coincidentally they lost their first game 8-0 while the amounts of money involved in betting were way above the regular cash flows...

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
So germany - austria was a sure fix, while denmark - sweden was coincidental?

Altair answered for me. Besides, it's nothing that coincidental, I explained it before. The Danes just didn't care if Sweden scored the equalizer.