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Febrina

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++ [ originally posted by IceBlu ] ++
im extremely happy with the result :)

i've always had a soft spot for the Scots and they deserved to win today.

I really really hope they get a draw or better in Holland.

Common you Scots !!!!
A Good game and a very entertaining match for me as a neutral viewer :)
Scotland were very2 strong. An only goal by 20 yo striker, James Mc Fadden in the 1st half and strong defending in the 2nd half made an objective result for Bert Vogts's team.
While Holland NT were very powerful in attacking especially after Rafael van der Vaart and Roy Makaay came in. But I must say that holland best player of that match was Jaap Stam, such strong defender and very effective in midfield as well ;)
Well, congrats to The Tartan Army! :angel:
Holland still got a chance at ArenA stadium a few days more, not a bad game though ;). Can't wait for the match and may the best team win :thumb:
 

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Layce Erayce

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++ [ originally posted by Matto ] ++
Can I just say I am not at all surprised by the result and I seriously do not understand why anyone else IS? :confused:

I always said this was going to be a close one! Abd opinion polls in this country showed that most Dutchmen agree with me.

Either way - Holland are NOT and NEVER were a world class team, we only have a pack of world class strikers. There's a difference you know!
and midfielders, and goalkeeper
 
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    Only Davids.

    Seedorf refuses to defend, Overmars can't pass his marker anymore, Cocu is terrible nowadays, Zenden is transformed to left-back and Van der Meyde to forward.

    No, our defence and midfield suck.
     

    gray

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    ++ [ originally posted by Matto ] ++
    Only Davids.

    Seedorf refuses to defend, Overmars can't pass his marker anymore, Cocu is terrible nowadays, Zenden is transformed to left-back and Van der Meyde to forward.

    No, our defence and midfield suck.
    I think it's time to play Fred Grim :devil:

    i guess all the good guys have changed their game as u said... damn i used to rate overmars. Personally I like VDM and Seedorf, though you're right about their styles of play. I feel sorry for Cocu, i used to admire him too. De Boer... :undecide
     

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    And Scotland do?

    For me, Holland was the most sorely missed country at WC2002, and I guess because i haven't seen as much of the team as you have, i still believe that they're capable of putting in world class performances. They belong at the EC, even if it's simply to show off some of the best players in the world. I'm sure they're much better (even on a bad day) than Latvia, Slovenia, even Croatia.
     
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    Slagathor

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    And Scotland do?

    For me, Holland was the most sorely missed country at WC2002, and I guess because i haven't seen as much of the team as you have, i still believe that they're capable of putting in world class performances. They belong at the EC, even if it's simply to show off some of the best players in the world. I'm sure they're much better (even on a bad day) than Latvia, Slovenia, even Croatia.
    I don't suppose you saw the matches during our qualification round, have you? We played ONE good match since Advocaat is running the show and that was a friendly against the Germans.

    ONE good match in two years!
     

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    ++ [ originally posted by Matto ] ++

    I don't suppose you saw the matches during our qualification round, have you? We played ONE good match since Advocaat is running the show and that was a friendly against the Germans.

    ONE good match in two years!
    I hardly get any football coverage, and i cited that as the reason for my optimism regarding Holland. How many actual matches were played in that time period?
    Competitive/Friendly...
     
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    Slagathor

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    17. Both friendly and for Euro2004.

    And I don't think I need to mention the horrible series of 13 matches under Louis van Gaal :rolleyes:
     
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    Erik or anyone who loves Holland so much, please can you form a team out of the numerous players that Holland do have
    Well, seeing as Stam is suspended and Frank de Boer is crap, I'd have a defence with Ooijer, Hofland and Van Bronckhorst. The former two have played EXCELLENT for their club PSV and the latter put up a good performance against the Scots on Saturday.

    On midfield, I'd put Van der Meyde, Seedorf, Davids and Zenden. Overmars played well but he's injured now. Van der Meyde played well so I'd leave him on the right, Seedorf and Davids are the ideal duo on the central midfield and Zenden is a great left winger who can also defend.

    In attack, Van der Vaart, Van Hooijdonk and Van Nistelrooy. We need Van der Vaart for creativity, that much was obvious after Saturday. And if the Scots defend really closely, we can use Van Hooijdonk to pass high and long balls to, he could head them to Van Nistelrooy who fires them home. And with Van Hooijdonk you also have a great man for free-kicks, penalties and corners.

    So to sum up:
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by Matto ] ++
    Well, seeing as Stam is suspended and Frank de Boer is crap, I'd have a defence with Ooijer, Hofland and Van Bronckhorst. The former two have played EXCELLENT for their club PSV and the latter put up a good performance against the Scots on Saturday.

    On midfield, I'd put Van der Meyde, Seedorf, Davids and Zenden. Overmars played well but he's injured now. Van der Meyde played well so I'd leave him on the right, Seedorf and Davids are the ideal duo on the central midfield and Zenden is a great left winger who can also defend.

    In attack, Van der Vaart, Van Hooijdonk and Van Nistelrooy. We need Van der Vaart for creativity, that much was obvious after Saturday. And if the Scots defend really closely, we can use Van Hooijdonk to pass high and long balls to, he could head them to Van Nistelrooy who fires them home. And with Van Hooijdonk you also have a great man for free-kicks, penalties and corners.

    So to sum up:
    Alright, I like where you've gone with the midfield, but don;t you think it's a bit risky to play a three-man defence? IMO, neither Davids nor Seedorf track back enough to qualify as a defensive midfielder, but then again you have Zenden in the line-up and he's playing more defensively these days, so it could work.

    The one thing that surprised me the most was your selection of Van Hooijdonk. I know that he's a good free-kick taker and all that, but if you want that, then why not play Zenden in defence and put Van Persie on the wing? IMO, Van Hooijdonk lacks the pace and vision to be useful in regular play and would only hinder the attack.

    I defintely agree that Hofland should play in the central defence, and Ooijer is the best alternative to Stam, but only while Stam is out. I think that the team needs to focus more on youth, and I wish that Advocaat woul dhave tried more sooner. Thanks to that mad-man Rijkaard, Cocu has been converted to a central defnder and he's playing pretty well there, but he's lost his midfield awareness. It's really unfortunate, Holland could use him in the middle of mid-field.

    If you are going to play Van der Vaart as a dropped back forward, then why don't we play with a true defensive midfielder to help out the beleaguered defence? I guess because the only players that would fit that description are currently out of action one way or another. Cocu is playing defence and Van Bommel is injured. The only other good dutch option there is Nigel De Jong, but he has no experience...

    Over-all, I like your line-up, but I don't think that Van Hooijdonk is good enough to start.
     

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    PVH is the best freekick taker in the world IMO (seriously). His attempts -goals ratio is amazing, though I agree that maybe in open play he wouldn't be as effective. I'd probably play Makaay in PVH's place
     
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    Ian - you're right about the midfield but I only focused on the Scotland match for this line-up. And Van Bommel is injured so we don't really have a defending midfielder at the moment which is why I placed Zenden there.

    The main reason why I selected Van Hooijdonk is because of his quality to play like an inspiration. He's our super-sup and he always gives the team a little extra, as he did against the Czechs. We played brilliantly with him as we were finally able to actually play high balls - he's the only one who can receive and hold them.

    Van Persie doesn't play much for Feyenoord and the couple of times I've seen him this season didn't really impress me at all :nervous:
     

    Bongiovi

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    11/17/2003. Patrick Kluivert has slammed Holland manager Dick Advocaat for his shock decision to recall Ruud Van Nistelrooy for the first leg of their Euro 2004 play-off against Scotland.

    The Barcelona forward is adamant that the partnership isn't working and van Nistelrooy should have started the game on the bench as expected.

    Scotland won the match at Hampden Park 1-0 and Kluivert is now realising the fear that Holland may miss out on going to Portugal next summer.

    He said: "It is clearly not working with Ruud and me up front and you have to wonder why we changed it like we did.

    "I didn't expect to be playing behind Ruud. It had not worked before so why should it suddenly work now?

    "I should have been up front on my own from the beginning like we played in the second half."

    He added: "It is an awkward situation to be in right now. At least it is over two legs.

    "After the way we played them off the field in the second half we should be the ones going to Portugal and it would be really strange if we don't qualify."
     

    Bongiovi

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    Erik, I totally agree with your line up, but isnt Van der Meyde injured??, something about a fainting do and he hit his head when he fell?

    I think Dicky should be sacked....and maybe they can get someone with a bit of talent...couldnt believe the line up he put out for saturday....

    But I'll be there supporting on Wednesday!...
     

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