How about we sell Moggi? (4 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

To get rid of the tight budget, Moggi needs to sell. David Trez tops the list.



List of things that suck: Roma, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, Man U, Real, baseball, Nascar, Colorado Avalanche, and watching Juve lose to a spanish team or Roma.

List of Things that are great: Juventus, Detroit Red Wings, Italian Czech Dutch National Teams.

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++

List of things that suck: Roma, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, Man U, Real, baseball, Nascar, Colorado Avalanche, and watching Juve lose to a spanish team or Roma.

List of Things that are great: Juventus, Detroit Red Wings, Italian Czech Dutch National Teams.

Go Leafs Go !

 

[Bjerknes]

Lang+datysuk+Yzermas+Hull+Shani+Lidstrom+Hatcher+everyone else+ Stanley Cup for The Detoit Red Wings!!

Forza Juve and GO Wings!

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
List of things that suck: Roma, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, Man U, Real, baseball, Nascar, Colorado Avalanche, and watching Juve lose to a spanish team or Roma.

WOW! I agree 100%. Good list.

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++



LOL LOL LOL LOL


And what an impressive list of trophies Arsenal has. Please! If you wanted to make a point, you should have gone with Manchester United or Real Madrid. Arsenal is a minor league outfit on the world stage, at present, but they are growing.

During Euro 2000, all the French team players were in high demand and the coach bars all transfer talk until competition is over - EXCEPT Moggi is the only one allowed to make contact, as arrangements are made for Moggi to sign Trezeguet. Why was an exception made for only Moggi? Because he has clout.

Davids? He was unhappy and wanted to move. He cannot be forced to stay with Juve. Di Vaio? At the time it was hailed as a brilliant move. Brighi? How on earth did Moggi screw up Brighi?????????????? Parma was desperate for him, Moggi refused to sell, but agreed a two-year loan. After one year Parma culdn't wait to get rid of him and loaned him Brescia. You blame Moggi?

How many hundreds of clubs play in Europe?
How many have won as many major trophies in the last 10 years as Juventus?
None.
Moggi's results speak volumes.

What on earth are you talking about? What exactly have we won in Europe compared to all the times we have been favoured by referees to win the scudetto?

Arsenal are not eligible to play in SerieA if thats what you are bleating about as they have won the double twice, won the fa cup 3 times , i think, are on course for a famous and historic treble and where are we, seemingly out of the scudetto race, out of Europe by the second round after telling everyone this is the trophy we wanted to win, and only have the rather worthless coppa italia to go for

Wanna talk about deals then talk about buying Anelka for 500,000 and selling him 2 years on for 22m or buying overmars for 7m and selling him for 25m

Buffon costs more than the entire Arsenal backline and some of their midfiled put together

Pires, Henry Vieiria and Ljunberg cost less than Nedved

You talk about Trez, we paid 17m for him while we sold Henry for about 9m, now had the better deal?

How on earth did Moggi as the "great transfer guru" allow Davids to come to a position where he could go for free

With all the so called great deals you keep bleating about, when was the last time our football has been coherent?

Is it so difficult to look for a player who can control the tempo of a game or players than can actually pass the ball

The problem with Juve fans well the ones who come on here is you go way over the top in your praises, Zambrotta had played left full back for 3 secs and already he was hailed the best in the world

Maresca is on the field for 2 minutes, already Italy ought to build their team around his dubious talents

It is not Moggi that has the clout it is Juve the club that has the clout to buy good players , its just Moggi who always seems to spot the duds and claim they are good thru propaganda

Occasionally he picks a winner but not too often, but as for picking good officials to referee our matches in Italy then he is a master

 

[sebastian]

mister denco henry did play with us and it didn't worked out the same story about vieira he also isn't a player that played good in italy. on the other hand nedved played great in italy and still he does so better get your money on players who play good then on players who don't.

about buffon he is worth more than the backline of arsenal.
i don't know if arsenal played in italy they would manage to win all those prices cause in england they kick and run. so if a team combine you can destroy most of the england teams.

Archaon about salas he ws good at the beginning. i saw him play in the champions league and i thougt we had a worldstar but then he got injured and the story ends. you can't blame moggi about it. it's the same when you buy for sample zidane and he got injured for 2 years. who do you blame then??

about oliseh and blanchard they were good but didn't got much chance to play. and when you don't play much you are getting worse. look at the strikers with chelsea.

ps. what do you call the deal with zidane( the greates of them all?)

 

[Sid]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
To get rid of the tight budget, Moggi needs to sell. David Trez tops the list.



List of things that suck: Roma, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds , Man U, Real, baseball, Nascar, Colorado Avalanche, and watching Juve lose to a spanish team or Roma.

List of Things that are great: Juventus, Detroit Red Wings , Italian Czech Dutch National Teams.

Leeds dont suck!!!!:groan:

Detroit suck! the Ducks rulez!!!!!!

 

[The Pado]

Mr. Denco, I don't know how things work in England, but in Italy the club directors do not choose the referees and match officials for any football match. This procedure is conducted by the football league. So, your information about Moggi selecting referees is incorrect.

Mr. Denco, Which club is England's greatest ever? The answer is Liverpool. After that? The answer is Manchester United. Where is Arsenal? Arsenal glory is a recent development.

Mr. Denco, which club is Italy's greatest ever? The answer is Juventus. There can be no dispute. Arguably the greatest ever period for this greatest ever club is the last ten years, i.e. the Moggi years. Sure, he has mad some bad moves, but he is responsible for building the team that has won every trophy on offer.

Mr. Denco, why does Italy get four clubs eligible for the Champions League? Because of the success of Juventus in making it to four CL Finals, plus an additional semifinal since 1996. This success, this ability to go deep in Europe is unrivaled. Arsenal cannot match this European pedigree. This is all built by Moggi. He cannot be discredited.

I am not going overboard in my praise. I acknowledge the great results, the concrete facts, and I am impressed by the achievements of this man.

 

[arc]

im not against moggi at all, eevryone makes mistakes
moggi did brought victory to juve
n for ppl think arsenal is better than juve, then this isnt a right place for u, go n support arsenal
do u know italian n english football are so much different
not all class players elsewhere will play good in another league
anyway, we should just relax and see what moggi bring us this summer

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++


WOW! I agree 100%. Good list.

i got one name for you DOMI. :fero:

 

[The Pado]

Tai Domi?
I hate him!

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

that guy is the reason i watch a little hockey

 

[Torkel]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
The problem with Juve fans well the ones who come on here is you go way over the top in your praises, Zambrotta had played left full back for 3 secs and already he was hailed the best in the world

As I responded to one of your posts, I feel that this was partly directed at me, and I think that's completely wrong.

There was some time ago a wave that came about these forums, where it was "cool" to be sceptical and critical. I get flashbacks to this when I see your posts. If you draw the assumption that people praising Moggi are non-sceptical Juve sheep you are completely wrong. Is it not allowed to say something good about a player or Juve staff anymore? I remember one person (won't name names) who wanted to sell Zambrotta a few weeks before he made it big as a left-back. IMO that looks sooo much worse than praising him now. I may be putting more into your quote than what you meant now, but I thought it was stupid and completely unneccessary to bring up this critiscism now in a Moggi debate. It has nothing to do with this.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Wow, is it possible to sell our general director? :undecide:

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++

Mr. Denco, I don't know how things work in England, but in Italy the club directors do not choose the referees and match officials for any football match. This procedure is conducted by the football league. So, your information about Moggi selecting referees is incorrect

.They might not choose them but you have to admit we do get way too many decisions go our way

Mr. Denco, Which club is England's greatest ever? The answer is Liverpool. After that? The answer is Manchester United. Where is Arsenal? Arsenal glory is a recent development.[/QUOTE

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What has this got to do with the price of fish? Who cares about history, we are talking about the present and what the hell has all these got to do with the fact that Arsenal can spend less and play better football compared to what we do

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QUOTE]Mr. Denco, which club is Italy's greatest ever? The answer is Juventus. There can be no dispute. Arguably the greatest ever period for this greatest ever club is the last ten years, i.e. the Moggi years. Sure, he has mad some bad moves, but he is responsible for building the team that has won every trophy on offer.[/QUOTE

] In terms of what are you basing your theory that Juve are more prosperous that we were under Trapatoni's first term in charge.Without Moggi we would still be Italy's greatest club as we are 13 championships ahead of our nearest rivals so your point is rather mute

Mr. Denco, why does Italy get four clubs eligible for the Champions League? Because of the success of Juventus in making it to four CL Finals, plus an additional semifinal since 1996. This success, this ability to go deep in Europe is unrivaled. Arsenal cannot match this European pedigree. This is all built by Moggi. He cannot be discredited.

Garbage, if not for the amount of Cl wins that Milan have got then Italy would not get 4 teams and besides money plays a big factor. Again what has this got to do with the low quality football we have produced for 4 - 5 years now?

I am not going overboard in my praise. I acknowledge the great results, the concrete facts, and I am impressed by the achievements of this man

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Never said the boy has not done good , I just hate reading he is the best transfer guru in the world as he surely is not


Another point you raised up in another post is that Moggi was the only one allowed to deal with the French players in Euro2000 and that showed his clout

I just wanna ask you who is the most powerful figure in French football? Hint: He wore number 10 and was European footballer 3 times and its not Zidane

Again which club did he play for? Yes you guessed it , Juve, so thats where the the Trez deal might have come from, nothing to do with Moggi, anything Platini wants, he gets.

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++

As I responded to one of your posts, I feel that this was partly directed at me, and I think that's completely wrong.

There was some time ago a wave that came about these forums, where it was "cool" to be sceptical and critical. I get flashbacks to this when I see your posts. If you draw the assumption that people praising Moggi are non-sceptical Juve sheep you are completely wrong. Is it not allowed to say something good about a player or Juve staff anymore? I remember one person (won't name names) who wanted to sell Zambrotta a few weeks before he made it big as a left-back. IMO that looks sooo much worse than praising him now. I may be putting more into your quote than what you meant now, but I thought it was stupid and completely unneccessary to bring up this critiscism now in a Moggi debate. It has nothing to do with this.

Directed at you for what? I was refering to all the ppeople who come on here and say such things and how is that irrelevant if in the same vein they are saying Moggi is the greatest transfer guru there is
Everything about Juve is the greatest as far as some are concerned and if results in Europe especially bore that to be true, who is to argue , but its not is it? Our brand of football is so ugly on the eye and there is nothing worse than playing ugly football and losing at the same time, just ask Liverpool and Inter

 

[sutnop]

++ [ originally posted by julio1011 ] ++
Come on we know that he has made some TERRIBLE decisions!

he doesn't have the vision to see the real young stars out there like mexes.
Juventus is the second richest club, c'mon Moggi use it..........

this must be the most garbage thing I have ever seen I am sorry but you got some things mixed up
I suggest wait 10years with Moggi then I can success him

No but seriously
Terrible decesions he is creative and has tried many things far more have turned out good then bad...

Real young stars Mexes come one?? There isn't a GM in a top10 CLub in Italy/Spain/England that doesn't know who Mexes is...
I think he has been mentionend in Newspapers in like 20 different countries so getting him wouldn't be a scouting catch...

Scouting young stars is not about watching TV my friend....
Mexes was more famous 3 years ago then Tomas Hubschman is now and he is still too much of a known player to be considered a catch.

A catch would be getting the new Russian defensive prodigy who is 17 comes from the Smena academy in ST Petersburg and is just about ready to break into the Russian U20 Team!


Juve is not the Second Richest club in the world it is the club that made the second highest positive result (After Man U) in the world
meaning our income has exceeded our costs
something which Moggi by the way has been working very hard to acheive..


Alotugh There are a lot of clubs in this world that don't think about making a positive economic result and spend far more money then us like (Real Madrid, Chelsea, INter and Milan)

 

[sutnop]

Also Moggi best skill
is his negioating skills

Henry bought under the fingers of Arsenal
and then sold after he failed in Juve for Doubble the price we bought him for

He hold the record for most expensive footballer sold...

etc...

I wrote a really long article about this stating several examples but then the damn forum
ate up my article since it logged me out before I was done

 

[Muha]

moggi seems to be ok its the players problem that we r suffering from

 

[The Pado]

Denco, I see the point you are making. I thought you did not believe in Moggi at all. I will stand by my post about Juve being responsible for Italy receiving 4 CL slots. Milan, except for last year, has not compiled the numbers that Juve has since the competition began allowing more than one club from each country. It is mainly due to Juve's success that Italy have 4 slots, which could soon be cut to three.