Holland 0-1 Ireland!!!!! (5 Viewers)

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Thankfully its only sports.

That's one thing I don't get about the Dutch. You're so enthusiastic and passionate about your football, but when it comes to the final statement, it's always like "who cares, it's just a game".

FFS, if the Dutch had a combination of their skill and the Italian mindset, maybe you suckers wouldn't get knocked out on penalties every single time :irritate:

 

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[Slagathor]

Actually I'm far from standard gray. Probably because I wasn't an Oranje fan my entire life.

Football is a way of life for most Dutchmen; especially in the eastern provinces where people are relatively poor and football is all they have.

When we got knocked out in the semis of Euro2000, the number of suicides quadripled over-night.

 

[nina]

I wasn't an Oranje fan my entire life
:wth:

But but but I imagine you, when born, all orange

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Actually I'm far from standard gray. Probably because I wasn't an Oranje fan my entire life.

Ahhh, so when did u start following them, and why so late?

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
When we got knocked out in the semis of Euro2000, the number of suicides quadripled over-night.

sorry to hear that

but still, so many times I've heard Dutchmen acting so aloof when it comes football

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Ahhh, so when did u start following them, and why so late?

I only cared for club football. Didn't give a flying toss about the national team of a nation I didn't feel close to. We have a bit of a north-south divide in this country and back then almost all the players were from the North. It was then not really worth watching for me (long story that starts deep in history but these are the basics).

sorry to hear that

but still, so many times I've heard Dutchmen acting so aloof when it comes football

We have a different culture, a different way to express ourselves. If a Dutchmen tells you that 'its only sports' he's just trying to find a way to deal with it most of the time. When they get pissed off and come down hard on their own team (like right now, you should see the media) they do it out of huge disappointment and pain.

Its something that arose in the early '90s when we had a bugger team that didn't win anything. Everyone knew they could do it because they were victorious in '88 but they just failed time after time.

Can you picture the huge powerless feeling of the lone supporter on the stands shouting with his soar voice, on the edge of bursting into tears: "Come on! I know you can do it! I SAW you do it! What's wrong for god's sake?"

Then add to that the national trauma we have over here for always being the small nation incapable of securing its own survival that's crammed in between England, France and Germany (all of them nations much more successful and they're always keen on rubbing it in) and you have a combination that results into current behaviour.

And yes, I DID study that. That doesn't just come out of the big hat

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


I only cared for club football. Didn't give a flying toss about the national team of a nation I didn't feel close to. We have a bit of a north-south divide in this country and back then almost all the players were from the North. It was then not really worth watching for me (long story that starts deep in history but these are the basics).



We have a different culture, a different way to express ourselves. If a Dutchmen tells you that 'its only sports' he's just trying to find a way to deal with it most of the time. When they get pissed off and come down hard on their own team (like right now, you should see the media) they do it out of huge disappointment and pain.

Its something that arose in the early '90s when we had a bugger team that didn't win anything. Everyone knew they could do it because they were victorious in '88 but they just failed time after time.

Can you picture the huge powerless feeling of the lone supporter on the stands shouting with his soar voice, on the edge of bursting into tears: "Come on! I know you can do it! I SAW you do it! What's wrong for god's sake?"

Then add to that the national trauma we have over here for always being the small nation incapable of securing its own survival that's crammed in between England, France and Germany (all of them nations much more successful and they're always keen on rubbing it in) and you have a combination that results into current behaviour.

And yes, I DID study that. That doesn't just come out of the big hat

the bold part happens everywhere, so dont use holland as an example.

I think football goes very, very far when people lose their life over it. Im sorry about the suicides mate.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by blackmint ] ++
the bold part happens everywhere, so dont use holland as an example.

I know that but I was explaining the Dutch situation and its happening here too so I couldn't leave it out could I?

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


I know that but I was explaining the Dutch situation and its happening here too so I couldn't leave it out could I?

yeah alright, fair play.