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I found this to be true, unless I evened things out with pull ups. I guess in the end it's all about balance. That being said I find that benching will inevitably fuck up my shoulder, no matter what perfect technique I might use or how many deadlifts or chin ups I will do.
Part of working out is finding what does and doesn't work for you I suppose.
Part of working out is finding what does and doesn't work for you I suppose.
I used to be stuck around 130kg, allways getting rotator issues. Then injured first the left moderately and then the right one severely
Corrected my technique and workout routine. Currently pushing 30kg more, and my shoulders are allmost never an issue.
The 3 weeks before my meet(old pr=150), i've done a total of 16 doubles at 140, 8 singles at 150, and a crapload of tripples at 130.
Only at the very end, 2 days after i did 5 of those singles in one training, i felt my shoulder was losing strength cause it couldnt keep up. And that was regular muscle pain on a not fully recovered muscle, not a small injury or a strain.
The only thing bothering are my ellbow tendons, cause they get battered with squat AND benchpress due to insufficient meat on my arms. But not remotely shoulders anymore.
Note, this is a powerlifting schedule. Wich is 10x more demanding for the muscle.
Proper form and a good workout routine. And you wont be bothered by shoulders ever again
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Depends on interpretation.
You always need to benchpress. "finding what works", means finding out if its flat, decline or incline, with dumbells or barbell. But you cant skip benchpress
Corrected my technique and workout routine. Currently pushing 30kg more, and my shoulders are allmost never an issue.
The 3 weeks before my meet(old pr=150), i've done a total of 16 doubles at 140, 8 singles at 150, and a crapload of tripples at 130.
Only at the very end, 2 days after i did 5 of those singles in one training, i felt my shoulder was losing strength cause it couldnt keep up. And that was regular muscle pain on a not fully recovered muscle, not a small injury or a strain.
The only thing bothering are my ellbow tendons, cause they get battered with squat AND benchpress due to insufficient meat on my arms. But not remotely shoulders anymore.
Note, this is a powerlifting schedule. Wich is 10x more demanding for the muscle.
Proper form and a good workout routine. And you wont be bothered by shoulders ever again
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Depends on interpretation.
You always need to benchpress. "finding what works", means finding out if its flat, decline or incline, with dumbells or barbell. But you cant skip benchpress
You don't really have to do anything. If you want to be a powerlifter then yes, you have to bench press. If you want massive pecs, yes, you have to bench press.
If you want to be fit and have a bit of muscle, you can sprint and do pull ups and push ups. It'll never get you as beefed up as you can be, but it depends on your goals.
Take a look at Ronaldo for example. I bet he doesn't deadlift. Not sure if he squats either. But looking at his physique you are damn certain he does pull ups. He also sprints (obviously). Now Ronaldo isn't massive, but he's better looking physically than almost anyone out there.
If you want to get huge the fastest way to get there is the big three though.
Nah, to both of these.
Both push-ups and bench press mess with shoulders when done improperly, without good opposition work, and without adequate shoulder training and mobility work. But done properly, push-ups aren't harmful at all for the shoulders. Just because a few people's anecdotal stories about push-ups messed up their shoulders, this doesn't mean the exercise is harmful. I guarantee I can find a far larger number of people who have had their shoulders fucked up by bench press. The problem is people tend to do both exercises with poor form and inadequate work for both shoulder strength and mobility, and opposition muscle groups.
To the second point, bench press is complex as far as standard bodybuilder exercises go... but nowhere near the three O-lifts... Clean, Jerk, Snatch. The technical aspect of those three lifts is in an entirely different realm from any of the power-lifts.
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All one has to do is look at gymnasts to realize that there are many ways to add muscle mass to a frame including bodyweight exercises. Disadvantaged leverage positions, such as those required in gymnastics build muscle very quickly.
I don't bench at all anymore. Not because of shoulder problems, or anything else like that, just because I don't see the point of the exercise if I'm not a powerlifter or a professional (american) football player. Yes, if I wanted to have a roided up bodybuilder style physique, I would bench press. But I don't want that at all.
I do planche push-ups, handstand work, and gymnastic ring work (muscle-up, iron cross, inverted iron cross, maltese cross) for my chest and shoulders. Add to this regular shoulder mobility work. The last time I benched, after 16 months away from the exercise, I was able to do 5 sets of 3 @120kg (bodyweight 75kg) without a spotter.
There are many ways to develop a strong chest, shoulders, and triceps aside from weightlifting exercises.
Both push-ups and bench press mess with shoulders when done improperly, without good opposition work, and without adequate shoulder training and mobility work. But done properly, push-ups aren't harmful at all for the shoulders. Just because a few people's anecdotal stories about push-ups messed up their shoulders, this doesn't mean the exercise is harmful. I guarantee I can find a far larger number of people who have had their shoulders fucked up by bench press. The problem is people tend to do both exercises with poor form and inadequate work for both shoulder strength and mobility, and opposition muscle groups.
To the second point, bench press is complex as far as standard bodybuilder exercises go... but nowhere near the three O-lifts... Clean, Jerk, Snatch. The technical aspect of those three lifts is in an entirely different realm from any of the power-lifts.
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All one has to do is look at gymnasts to realize that there are many ways to add muscle mass to a frame including bodyweight exercises. Disadvantaged leverage positions, such as those required in gymnastics build muscle very quickly.
I don't bench at all anymore. Not because of shoulder problems, or anything else like that, just because I don't see the point of the exercise if I'm not a powerlifter or a professional (american) football player. Yes, if I wanted to have a roided up bodybuilder style physique, I would bench press. But I don't want that at all.
I do planche push-ups, handstand work, and gymnastic ring work (muscle-up, iron cross, inverted iron cross, maltese cross) for my chest and shoulders. Add to this regular shoulder mobility work. The last time I benched, after 16 months away from the exercise, I was able to do 5 sets of 3 @120kg (bodyweight 75kg) without a spotter.
There are many ways to develop a strong chest, shoulders, and triceps aside from weightlifting exercises.
Yeah I am more and more getting into that stuff as well because my girlfriend used to be a pretty successfull gymnast.
But it does require far more effort than picking up a weight to see results. And people like stuff like the bench press because you can move massive amounts of weight within weeks.
And for full disclosure: many gymnasts do train with weights as well.
But it does require far more effort than picking up a weight to see results. And people like stuff like the bench press because you can move massive amounts of weight within weeks.
And for full disclosure: many gymnasts do train with weights as well.
Most of the men's gymnastics team in the US on both junior and national level do little to no weightlifting. Some gymnasts do train with weights, but almost entirely for lower body, and to a very minor degree as actual gymnastics technical work and conditioning work take up far too much time and energy to allow for weightlifting work.
I don't know about female gymnasts. Perhaps it's different.
Like you say, it takes longer to see results as there is a vastly longer learning curve and skill aspect to gymnastic training. Most people don't have the dedication or willpower to ever get through the time required to develop a planche or iron cross, or even worse, something like a manna or maltese cross.
I don't know about female gymnasts. Perhaps it's different.
Like you say, it takes longer to see results as there is a vastly longer learning curve and skill aspect to gymnastic training. Most people don't have the dedication or willpower to ever get through the time required to develop a planche or iron cross, or even worse, something like a manna or maltese cross.
But it's not even the more complicated stuff. A handstand or a pull up are so humbling to most people they do not give it another go. A planche suddenly looks impossible.
It's a lot like letting people sprint 100 metres. Most don't even get to the end. They're done after 60-70 metres and then realise just how long 100 metres is.
It's a lot like letting people sprint 100 metres. Most don't even get to the end. They're done after 60-70 metres and then realise just how long 100 metres is.
When I first started personal training I was shocked at seeing how many people I trained couldn't do 1 pull-up, a headstand (let alone a handstand), more than 5 proper push-ups (chest to floor, elbows at 45 not out at 90 from body), sprint 100 metres without letting up by 50-70, row 500m without letting up by 300m, etc. And these weren't fat, incredibly out of shape people. Some were, but many were slim people who just had absolutely no strength.
It's depressing.
When I first started personal training I was shocked at seeing how many people I trained couldn't do 1 pull-up, a headstand (let alone a handstand), more than 5 proper push-ups (chest to floor, elbows at 45 not out at 90 from body), sprint 100 metres without letting up by 50-70, row 500m without letting up by 300m, etc. And these weren't fat, incredibly out of shape people. Some were, but many were slim people who just had absolutely no strength.
It's depressing.
When I first started personal training I was shocked at seeing how many people I trained couldn't do 1 pull-up, a headstand (let alone a handstand), more than 5 proper push-ups (chest to floor, elbows at 45 not out at 90 from body), sprint 100 metres without letting up by 50-70, row 500m without letting up by 300m, etc. And these weren't fat, incredibly out of shape people. Some were, but many were slim people who just had absolutely no strength.
It's depressing.
I wonder if with a personal trainer I would grow some visible muscles, ever. How much does a trainer cost per training?
