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AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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I don't like that guy/channel. He has many viewers and subscribers but he's rather meh.

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I just came home after doing my workout. I did squats with 98, shoulder press with 60 and chin ups with 24kg. I felt like my muscle were tearing apart, my bones hurt and in the end I thought my whole body is going to explode.

That, my friends, is pain. Pain of success.
I really wish my gym wasn't a cheap piece of shit and allowed me to do such things :cry:.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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n00b tym:

How much work on once muscle (let's say the pectoralis major) should you do in one session? Like say you do your 4 sets on one machine, and there are different machines that work the same muscle, should you do another 4 sets on them?
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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n00b tym:

How much work on once muscle (let's say the pectoralis major) should you do in one session? Like say you do your 4 sets on one machine, and there are different machines that work the same muscle, should you do another 4 sets on them?
Nah, too much focus IMO. For chest generally (or actually any other muscle group) there's no need to do more than 2 exercises. I think it's silly to focus so much like 'I'm gonna do flat bench, then incline, then decline and then finish it off with flys'. You should only do flat bench press and incline bench press, it's more than enough. If you're doing with good weights for you it's gonna kill your chest (and shoulder/triceps). As for the other part of your sentence, I'd suggest to skip all (or almost all) machines. It's always better to do free weights. It's gonna make you stronger and get you stronger core which is very important. Also, when you're doing bench/incline bench try to switch from barbell to dumbbells (after a couple of months).
 

Fint

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Aug 13, 2010
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Much prefer using dumbbells myself for almost all exercises. Am I correct in thinking that because you're having to work harder to balance the individual weights to attain a good technique for lets say a dumbbell press, this'll work both your chest and core simultaneously?
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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Nah, too much focus IMO. For chest generally (or actually any other muscle group) there's no need to do more than 2 exercises. I think it's silly to focus so much like 'I'm gonna do flat bench, then incline, then decline and then finish it off with flys'. You should only do flat bench press and incline bench press, it's more than enough. If you're doing with good weights for you it's gonna kill your chest (and shoulder/triceps). As for the other part of your sentence, I'd suggest to skip all (or almost all) machines. It's always better to do free weights. It's gonna make you stronger and get you stronger core which is very important. Also, when you're doing bench/incline bench try to switch from barbell to dumbbells (after a couple of months).
Yeah, I was thinking that it might be futile since the muscle is so tired after the first exercise that I would have to decrease the weights to continue.

I heard before that free weights is better, just that I don't really know what to do on my own yet, so I'll to research that. But for groups like back and legs with a lot of various muscles, perhaps machines would suit so you can target those muscles specifically?
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Much prefer using dumbbells myself for almost all exercises. Am I correct in thinking that because you're having to work harder to balance the individual weights to attain a good technique for lets say a dumbbell press, this'll work both your chest and core simultaneously?
Yeah, I think that's true. I also think using dumbbells is much better, especially for shoulder press.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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n00b tym:

How much work on once muscle (let's say the pectoralis major) should you do in one session? Like say you do your 4 sets on one machine, and there are different machines that work the same muscle, should you do another 4 sets on them?

i and my chest disagree with Dusko :D i say about 10-12 sets for chest is minimum, i go as many as 16-18
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Yeah, I was thinking that it might be futile since the muscle is so tired after the first exercise that I would have to decrease the weights to continue.

I heard before that free weights is better, just that I don't really know what to do on my own yet, so I'll to research that. But for groups like back and legs with a lot of various muscles, perhaps machines would suit so you can target those muscles specifically?
I don't think so, machines should always be the secondary option.

One of the rare machines that I rate is leg press, but IMO there's simply no need to do both squads and that, while squats is a loooot better exercise.

As for your back, I don't think any machine can hit your muscles as hard as t-bar rows, barbell rows and pull ups can.

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Weather is getting warmer and warmer, I feel like exercising outside on bars only. Like pull ups, dips and other stuff.

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i and my chest disagree with Dusko :D i say about 10-12 sets for chest is minimum, i go as many as 16-18
Meh. I think 4 sets of flat and 4 sets of incline is more than enough. It's like any other muscle. Nobody is gonna do that much for legs or abs :p
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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i and my chest disagree with Dusko :D i say about 10-12 sets for chest is minimum, i go as many as 16-18
Damnnn. Are you saying that because chest requires special attention or because you are partial to it?

Someone told me not to do too much work on the upper chest if I don't want to get a sloping chest that looks like boobs... which I don't want. More like a wider chest (like CR7 :embarasse)
I don't think so, machines should always be the secondary option.

One of the rare machines that I rate is leg press, but IMO there's simply no need to do both squads and that, while squats is a loooot better exercise.

As for your back, I don't think any machine can hit your muscles as hard as t-bar rows, barbell rows and pull ups can.
Great. Thanks for the advice.
 

Dostoevsky

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Damnnn. Are you saying that because chest requires special attention or because you are preferential to it?

Someone told me not to do too much work on the upper chest if I don't want to get a sloping chest that looks like boobs... which I don't want. More like a wider chest (like CR7 :embarasse)
Don't listen too much of opinions. It's usually only genetics (Ronaldo's crazy back). I've been working a looot on upper chest, yet it's still pretty weak compared to other muscles, it's not growing that fast believe me.

Standing dumbbell flys, easily one of my favourite exercises. Always feel a good burn all over the pectorals with this one :tup:
Flys kill muscle fibers and it's good exercise to do at the end to kill off the muscle. However the exercises alone isn't gonna make you a big chest, despite of the burn and pump effect it has.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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I don't think so, machines should always be the secondary option.

One of the rare machines that I rate is leg press, but IMO there's simply no need to do both squads and that, while squats is a loooot better exercise.

As for your back, I don't think any machine can hit your muscles as hard as t-bar rows, barbell rows and pull ups can.

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Weather is getting warmer and warmer, I feel like exercising outside on bars only. Like pull ups, dips and other stuff.

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Meh. I think 4 sets of flat and 4 sets of incline is more than enough. It's like any other muscle. Nobody is gonna do that much for legs or abs :p

i do about 10 sets for abs 3 times a week, and 18 sets for legs(including warmups) :p the only muscles i do about 8 sets for are tris and bis


Damnnn. Are you saying that because chest requires special attention or because you are partial to it?

Someone told me not to do too much work on the upper chest if I don't want to get a sloping chest that looks like boobs... which I don't want. More like a wider chest (like CR7 :embarasse)
Great. Thanks for the advice.
all big muscles need that kind of attention imo, if you work out all your muscles then growth pattern will depend on your genetic makeup
 

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