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Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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This guy makes some pretty true statements but he's yet another body builder who asserts the method of 'bulking' and intake of 'excess calories'. He's simply misunderstanding the very definition of 'excess'. If it was excess calories it wouldn't go to building muscle it would go to fat. Your body needs solely as many calories as it needs (which includes an increased intake for muscle development) but excess will only lead to fat gain. How hard is it to figure that out? Jeez.
 

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This guy makes some pretty true statements but he's yet another body builder who asserts the method of 'bulking' and intake of 'excess calories'. He's simply misunderstanding the very definition of 'excess'. If it was excess calories it wouldn't go to building muscle it would go to fat. Your body needs solely as many calories as it needs (which includes an increased intake for muscle development) but excess will only lead to fat gain. How hard is it to figure that out? Jeez.
Meh, I haven't read the calorie and nutrition part as I'm not interested in that at all. I read the part about prog overload and weight training and it hits the nail on the head. Some people who's opinion on this subject I really respect, recommended it to me.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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Excellent, I am preparing for a half marathon in May but so far I am training condition only and I haven't done more than 6km. I know that soon when I feel my condition is up I will have to vary my running, I have to do uphill trainings and speed intervals. Do you have a good program for that? As well as a good diet?
 

Gazzo

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Jul 9, 2007
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This guy makes some pretty true statements but he's yet another body builder who asserts the method of 'bulking' and intake of 'excess calories'. He's simply misunderstanding the very definition of 'excess'. If it was excess calories it wouldn't go to building muscle it would go to fat. Your body needs solely as many calories as it needs (which includes an increased intake for muscle development) but excess will only lead to fat gain. How hard is it to figure that out? Jeez.
Right again but it's pretty hard because it takes a long time to know how much you need calorie wise, to get it down to a tee.. And even then you should gain some fat.. I love food and i can understand the whole "eat big, get big thing" to a certain extent, you'll just need some good fat blasters and two weeks of extreme dieting though
 

Yamen

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Apr 20, 2007
11,809
Excellent, I am preparing for a half marathon in May but so far I am training condition only and I haven't done more than 6km. I know that soon when I feel my condition is up I will have to vary my running, I have to do uphill trainings and speed intervals. Do you have a good program for that? As well as a good diet?
I'll put my 2 cents here.

You will need to focus on Complex Carbs, as they digest slower in the body and give propper source of energy. Pasta, Rice, Bread, Fruits and Veggies..

You also need to increase your water in-take (or any other sport drink).
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
Excellent, I am preparing for a half marathon in May but so far I am training condition only and I haven't done more than 6km. I know that soon when I feel my condition is up I will have to vary my running, I have to do uphill trainings and speed intervals. Do you have a good program for that? As well as a good diet?
I'll put my 2 cents here.

You will need to focus on Complex Carbs, as they digest slower in the body and give propper source of energy. Pasta, Rice, Bread, Fruits and Veggies..

You also need to increase your water in-take (or any other sport drink).
Yamensbs is pretty much spot on in terms of diet. But carbo loading can also hinder your ability to train effectively. You can feel really heavy when jogging after eating lots of pasta, rice or bread. There's no doubt that if you're training most days a week then you're going to need to increase the amount of carbs you eat and the plan is simple. Stay away from fatty foods. Eat a sustained variety of carbohydrates and protein.
I'm no expert on training for marathons but I do run half marathons myself occasionally and I try to run 15kms twice a week. I don't actually recommend doing any type of interval training on a regular basis. When it comes to cardiovascular fitness it seems that there are different outcomes in terms of ability according to how you train. Interval training will allow you to exercise intensely for limited periods of time (e.g middle distance running, rowing, football). The way to train for a marathon is to emulate the marathon itself at least twice a week. In saying that there is a need to mix up routines even in cardio training. Here is exactly what I'd do in your shoes.

Monday - Jog 6 kms followed by hill sprints x4.
Tuesday - Jog 8 kms.
Wednesday - Rest
Thursday - Swim for 10 minutes as warm up. Then go to do 50 meter sprints x6 with 30 - 45 seconds rest in between. Then warm down with another 10 - 15 minutes of low intensity swimming. (Swimming is awesome cardio and it targets muscles in the body that are seldom used so its not surprising that even some of the fittest people find it tough).
Friday - Jog 8 kms.
Saturday - Rest
Sunday - Run (higher intensity) 4 - 5 kms.

This plan that I used to use kept me interested and gave me enough rest to get through the week. I think if you want to get to that 22kms Jack, then you need to up your distance another 2 kms every 3 weeks or so when you jog. 6 kms isn't a whole lot and if you increase your distance to 8 there's no harm in taking it slow for the first few tries and you'll slowly become accustomed to the longer run.

Right again but it's pretty hard because it takes a long time to know how much you need calorie wise, to get it down to a tee.. And even then you should gain some fat.. I love food and i can understand the whole "eat big, get big thing" to a certain extent, you'll just need some good fat blasters and two weeks of extreme dieting though
Yeah I get what your saying but thats not what he's saying. Its hard to target exactly what you need so its better to eat to much then not enough. However he still asserts 'excess' blah blahhh.
You can do what you said. Eat till your hearts content and then go through a cutting phase every so often and as an Italian who's Nonna was his personal full time chef I'd agree with you. But that's a poor mentallity because cutting agents are dangerous bastards and extremely strict diets suck. And like they always say.. when you go on a diet you eventually have to go off the diet and that's when you blow back up.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
Cheers Nenna. I will try to follow that plan. As for the intake, I run sometimes on an empty stomach and it doesn't bother me at all but I don't know if I can take longer distances with that.
 

Wahdan

Ace of Spades
Mar 14, 2009
6,851
I finished the first phase of my target, which was losing 5 kilos.

And now, I'm began the second phase last week which is turning remaining fats to muscles and losing another 5 kilos.
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
Cheers Nenna. I will try to follow that plan. As for the intake, I run sometimes on an empty stomach and it doesn't bother me at all but I don't know if I can take longer distances with that.
Yeah you will struggle with your 22 kms without anything to burn. But alot of the carbs you'll be burning will have been eaten a night or two before. I'd say eat a normal breakfast, and a few hours before you run just eat a banana or something :tup:
 

Yamen

Senior Member
Apr 20, 2007
11,809
Yeah you will struggle with your 22 kms without anything to burn. But alot of the carbs you'll be burning will have been eaten a night or two before. I'd say eat a normal breakfast, and a few hours before you run just eat a banana or something :tup:
.. and take it easy on the beer.
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
I finished the first phase of my target, which was losing 5 kilos.

And now, I'm began the second phase last week which is turning remaining fats to muscles and losing another 5 kilos.
Whats better, maintain your weight while still losing the fat. Good work :tup:
 

Gazzo

Senior Member
Jul 9, 2007
1,745
Yamensbs is pretty much spot on in terms of diet. But carbo loading can also hinder your ability to train effectively. You can feel really heavy when jogging after eating lots of pasta, rice or bread. There's no doubt that if you're training most days a week then you're going to need to increase the amount of carbs you eat and the plan is simple. Stay away from fatty foods. Eat a sustained variety of carbohydrates and protein.
I'm no expert on training for marathons but I do run half marathons myself occasionally and I try to run 15kms twice a week. I don't actually recommend doing any type of interval training on a regular basis. When it comes to cardiovascular fitness it seems that there are different outcomes in terms of ability according to how you train. Interval training will allow you to exercise intensely for limited periods of time (e.g middle distance running, rowing, football). The way to train for a marathon is to emulate the marathon itself at least twice a week. In saying that there is a need to mix up routines even in cardio training. Here is exactly what I'd do in your shoes.

Monday - Jog 6 kms followed by hill sprints x4.
Tuesday - Jog 8 kms.
Wednesday - Rest
Thursday - Swim for 10 minutes as warm up. Then go to do 50 meter sprints x6 with 30 - 45 seconds rest in between. Then warm down with another 10 - 15 minutes of low intensity swimming. (Swimming is awesome cardio and it targets muscles in the body that are seldom used so its not surprising that even some of the fittest people find it tough).
Friday - Jog 8 kms.
Saturday - Rest
Sunday - Run (higher intensity) 4 - 5 kms.

This plan that I used to use kept me interested and gave me enough rest to get through the week. I think if you want to get to that 22kms Jack, then you need to up your distance another 2 kms every 3 weeks or so when you jog. 6 kms isn't a whole lot and if you increase your distance to 8 there's no harm in taking it slow for the first few tries and you'll slowly become accustomed to the longer run.



Yeah I get what your saying but thats not what he's saying. Its hard to target exactly what you need so its better to eat to much then not enough. However he still asserts 'excess' blah blahhh.
You can do what you said. Eat till your hearts content and then go through a cutting phase every so often and as an Italian who's Nonna was his personal full time chef I'd agree with you. But that's a poor mentallity because cutting agents are dangerous bastards and extremely strict diets suck. And like they always say.. when you go on a diet you eventually have to go off the diet and that's when you blow back up.
I was going to mention that haha twice a week I go to Nonna's for dinner, and she gets very offended if I don't eat her food, and most of the time it's pasta of all things.. I don't mind cutting, after years of different methods and what not the bulking/cutting method best fits my life at the moment as gym has slid down on my agenda now I'm out of uni and working, so sure there's health questions whilst cutting but I do it only on my holidays and never for more than 2 weeks.. If i had unlimited time like I did going through uni, I'd do things differently, but I've already been there and done that, taken nearly every supplement out there and gotten to the plateu stage
 

Wahdan

Ace of Spades
Mar 14, 2009
6,851
Keep it up Wah. Way to go brother.

I thought your avatar was a heart. Then looking closely they seem to be like a boxing kit.
A heart? I'm not fan of James Blunt man :D

Thanks, Yamen :tup:

Whats better, maintain your weight while still losing the fat. Good work :tup:
The hardest part of all is maintaining the weight, but after I lost the first 5 kilos I gained confidence. Anyway, Thanks Mr. Olympia
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
I was going to mention that haha twice a week I go to Nonna's for dinner, and she gets very offended if I don't eat her food, and most of the time it's pasta of all things.. I don't mind cutting, after years of different methods and what not the bulking/cutting method best fits my life at the moment as gym has slid down on my agenda now I'm out of uni and working, so sure there's health questions whilst cutting but I do it only on my holidays and never for more than 2 weeks.. If i had unlimited time like I did going through uni, I'd do things differently, but I've already been there and done that, taken nearly every supplement out there and gotten to the plateu stage
The Nonna's just don't take no for an answer.

Yeah I understand the whole cutting thing, I admittedly do it too twice a year just to keep myself in check but I don't like promoting it.

The hardest part of all is maintaining the weight, but after I lost the first 5 kilos I gained confidence. Anyway, Thanks Mr. Olympia
Oh stop it youuu :oops:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
7.5 km speed variation session. With warming up and stretching i did it in 73 minutes. I was really impressed with the energy I got, I couldn't believe that those 5 or 6 sessions that I did the past two weeks would make such fruit so fast. My feet hate me though, for that I will reward them with a bubble bath.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
Meh, I haven't read the calorie and nutrition part as I'm not interested in that at all. I read the part about prog overload and weight training and it hits the nail on the head. Some people who's opinion on this subject I really respect, recommended it to me.
I've red it all, and I must say it's excellent and I love how he gave good training program, I only mind that he didn't pay too much attention to abs...
 

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