Gym and fitness (52 Viewers)

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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It is possible to build muscle while keeping body fat low, maintaining muscle is not hard, but u already stated that of course!

So basically, i would agree completely with what you've said, to build QUALITY muscle, and a decent amount at that, whilst losing fat, it's pretty damn hard simply for the fact that they CONTRADICT each other. To Build muscle you need more calories i.e. over you normal calorie intake, to lose fat you need to be under your normal colorie intake, i.e. burn more calories
That's not entirely true. If you want to build muscle whilst losing fat, you simply have to do a lot of cardio. It's no fun, but it does do the trick.
 

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Il Re

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Jan 13, 2005
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That's not entirely true. If you want to build muscle whilst losing fat, you simply have to do a lot of cardio. It's no fun, but it does do the trick.
like i said in my post, they contradict each other, in terms of maximising results, if you do lots of cardio, you will use a lot of the calories which you need to build muscle, whilst i agree it can be done, it's not the efficient way to do it, and the amount of muscle gained will not be large and it's very hard, the few people that can can gain significant muscle mass usually have good genetics, most people who train to build muscle whilst lose fat will end up simply gaining some muscle, or losing some fat but gaining little muscle
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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bee going to gym for about 1 month now, still im only 15 and i am mainly just doing pectorial workouts and also shoulders and triceps. the most i lift when is when i do pecs is 12.5 kg's i can sometimes lift that much with shoulders but i struggle. any tips? im trying for pecs.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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like i said in my post, they contradict each other, in terms of maximising results, if you do lots of cardio, you will use a lot of the calories which you need to build muscle, whilst i agree it can be done, it's not the efficient way to do it, and the amount of muscle gained will not be large and it's very hard, the few people that can can gain significant muscle mass usually have good genetics, most people who train to build muscle whilst lose fat will end up simply gaining some muscle, or losing some fat but gaining little muscle
It's hard and it's not the most efficient way to gain a lot of muscle, but you'll look decent pretty soon. Besides, the only way to ever get those muscles to show is burning fat anyway. The issue here might be that you don't get to look huge though.
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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We could have some very long discussions then.. My best mate is a personal trainer and I've been involved with that kind of knowledge when I worked part time in a supplment store through Uni.. Just one simple question, do you think it's possible to gain muscle (not maintain) and lose body fat simutaneously? Ofcourse the answer is very long and difficult but being the proffessional that you are I'd like to know your opinion (I'm not being a smartass).. IMO when ever I've personally tried to focus on both at the same time Ive always come up short in one of the two areas (usually building muscle) but sometimes the other way around.. My reasoning is that it is simply impossible to build quality muscle whilst losing fat no matter what any literature says for the simple fact that your body has to be in a negative state of calories to burn fat and thus in building muscle your body must be in a positive state of calories and that theres no two ways about this.. He thinks it's possible but I disagree, IMO from all I've read and expirementated you can only maintain muscle not significantly build it.. Thus the cutting period is needed which doesn't take too long thankfully and it's neccessary to 95% of the people I know
well isn't the general consensus that if you're getting your heart rate up then you're burning fat? So.. if you're doing weights that get your heart rate up (light weights high rep) you're (to a degree) doing both muscle building and burning fat
 

Henry

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Sep 30, 2003
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i'm reading this while eating a piece of chocolate ganache cake :D
on a serious note, i've started working out semi-regularly, unfortunately my school schedule makes it difficult to be consistent. i'm 182.5 cm, at 78 Kg. in other words i'm not fat, but not exactly ripped. i'm a musician, so I have to be very careful about tension and avoiding injury. I've been focusing more on upper body, as my lower body is decent from playing football. already noticed improvements in my arms and shoulders, also trying to make sure my back muscles are strong, as posture is very important. any tips? seems like a lot of you really know what you're talking about. i'm thinking about getting more intense, maybe eventually being able to kick the shit out of trees.

also, while I try and eat "healthy" foods, i have a major weakness for desserts. yeah, i know, what a pussy, but whatever. i'm not giving up my doppio espressi and madeleines!
 

Il Re

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Jan 13, 2005
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It's hard and it's not the most efficient way to gain a lot of muscle, but you'll look decent pretty soon. Besides, the only way to ever get those muscles to show is burning fat anyway. The issue here might be that you don't get to look huge though.
yep, spot on
 

Il Re

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Jan 13, 2005
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i'm reading this while eating a piece of chocolate ganache cake :D
on a serious note, i've started working out semi-regularly, unfortunately my school schedule makes it difficult to be consistent. i'm 182.5 cm, at 78 Kg. in other words i'm not fat, but not exactly ripped. i'm a musician, so I have to be very careful about tension and avoiding injury. I've been focusing more on upper body, as my lower body is decent from playing football. already noticed improvements in my arms and shoulders, also trying to make sure my back muscles are strong, as posture is very important. any tips? seems like a lot of you really know what you're talking about. i'm thinking about getting more intense, maybe eventually being able to kick the shit out of trees.

also, while I try and eat "healthy" foods, i have a major weakness for desserts. yeah, i know, what a pussy, but whatever. i'm not giving up my doppio espressi and madeleines!
lol what are your exact aims?
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
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really good video about focus during your workout. Focus is something that is ignored a lot by people trying to build up, but its one of the most important things you NEED to know!

p.s like i say, this guy is so odd sometimes lol but he's a very smart body builder. Watch it.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
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Aug 27, 2008
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I hit the gym for the first time today after a hiatus of over 3 years... Did only the basic exercises - push ups, pull ups and the sorts, but I feel like I've run a cross country marathon... Hopefully I'll go back tomorrow...
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
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What do yer experts say about this beginner program:
http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

I've been doing it for the last 2,3 weeks and I think it's a pretty good overall workout. Much more effective than what I was doing for the last half a year; endless biceps curls, bench presses and push-ups. :p
definitely interesting... 5reps x 5 sets everything. Its a good way to build your strength and you will get bigger. But usually when introducing people to weights I start them on high rep low(er) weight training (15-20 reps x 3 sets). You should do this mainly to build a more basic strength before you start really pushing yourself and work on your form. Good form is your best friend when you're pushing weights.

Oh and push ups are great for that in particular... i recommend doing them on your fists.
You can probably start pushing yourself with weights (eg this 5x5 thing) now if you're confident in your form.
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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definitely interesting... 5reps x 5 sets everything. Its a good way to build your strength and you will get bigger. But usually when introducing people to weights I start them on high rep low(er) weight training (15-20 reps x 3 sets). You should do this mainly to build a more basic strength before you start really pushing yourself and work on your form. Good form is your best friend when you're pushing weights.

Oh and push ups are great for that in particular... i recommend doing them on your fists.
You can probably start pushing yourself with weights (eg this 5x5 thing) now if you're confident in your form.
Well I've been working out for a while, though I've only done a few excercises and only done it recreationally. Bench press, push-ups, biceps curls, etc. My chest and shoulders got stronger and bigger but my legs and rest of body got neglected. So this programme seems good to improve my total body as I feel just by squatting, my whole body is working. Deadlifts are also good, overhead press as well. It seems like a really good overall workout, so I'm gonna give it a few months. And all that I can do at home because I got a bench and barbell plus a home made pull-up/chin-up bar.

Oh and one of the most difficult excercises has got to be Prone Bridges. It looks so easy but it's hard as hell. :D

What's the advantage of push-ups on your fists?
 

Il Re

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Jan 13, 2005
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Well I've been working out for a while, though I've only done a few excercises and only done it recreationally. Bench press, push-ups, biceps curls, etc. My chest and shoulders got stronger and bigger but my legs and rest of body got neglected. So this programme seems good to improve my total body as I feel just by squatting, my whole body is working. Deadlifts are also good, overhead press as well. It seems like a really good overall workout, so I'm gonna give it a few months. And all that I can do at home because I got a bench and barbell plus a home made pull-up/chin-up bar.

Oh and one of the most difficult excercises has got to be Prone Bridges. It looks so easy but it's hard as hell. :D

What's the advantage of push-ups on your fists?
very good, deadlifts and squats are vital, compound movements which release muscle building hormones

as for the knuckle pressups, u get a better stretch and can go down further, and they stregnthen your wrists and knuckles, but if you over do it you will end up with arthiritis
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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as for the knuckle pressups, u get a better stretch and can go down further, and they stregnthen your wrists and knuckles, but if you over do it you will end up with arthiritis
Yeah I think you've already told me that once. I've asked about knuckle/wrist pain after punching the bag and you suggested I do knuckle push-ups. I think I'll alternate regular ones with knuckle ones every workout. Cheers, Rehan. :pint:
 

Il Re

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Jan 13, 2005
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Yeah I think you've already told me that once. I've asked about knuckle/wrist pain after punching the bag and you suggested I do knuckle push-ups. I think I'll alternate regular ones with knuckle ones every workout. Cheers, Rehan. :pint:
what happens is when you get the pain, your putting strain on the wrist, but they grow back harder and stronger, then next time you hit the bag it wont hurt and u will get more power, just keep it in moderation, and you'll be fine, it really does wonders for punching power, i remember when i first started boxing, my wrists used ot bend if i hit a very solid target which really compromised power
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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forza knuckle press ups :beer:!!

il re son. Question about protein powders. Do you think its important to change your protein powders every 5 months or so? I've been using Horley's Ripped but i'm starting to think i should buy a higher carb powder. What I'm worried about is that i'll get to used to the powder (just like any exercise routine) and I won't react as well to it which I already think I'm not because it looks like I've hit a plateau to a degree. I'm changing up my routine but a friend, in passing, noted changing up what you're eating.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
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forza knuckle press ups :beer:!!

il re son. Question about protein powders. Do you think its important to change your protein powders every 5 months or so? I've been using Horley's Ripped but i'm starting to think i should buy a higher carb powder. What I'm worried about is that i'll get to used to the powder (just like any exercise routine) and I won't react as well to it which I already think I'm not because it looks like I've hit a plateau to a degree. I'm changing up my routine but a friend, in passing, noted changing up what you're eating.
no....as long as your protein powder comes from whey, and it gives you 30-40 grams per serving, its fine, dont change
 

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