Group C (8 Viewers)

[Enron]

No. That's not what I meant. This is how you do it legally:

In 2002 the judge says that Italians are sore losers, because they can't accept the myriad of wrong calls. The Koreans have every right to go through. They're not cheaters.

In 2006 the judge should stand by his judgment from 2002. He obviously cannot say the Italians are cheaters here.

And why are you pretending to be a judge? It's not a court of law. It's a court of public opinion. Which as we all know is ever changing.

If you feel you must justify each case based on each other I have to disagree. They're very much separate issues. For me at least.

 

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[Seven]

And why are you pretending to be a judge? It's not a court of law. It's a court of public opinion. Which as we all know is ever changing.

If you feel you must justify each case based on each other I have to disagree. They're very much separate issues. For me at least.

Because it's simply the right thing to do. Calling the Italians cheaters when the Koreans get away with much worse simply isn't right. It's what we call double standards. And I think these double standards are at play here, because a certain someone doesn't like Italy.

If you look at footage from the Korea-Italy game it is shocking. And the Koreans do cheat. They don't dive, no. But they seem to know that they will get away with anything. Del Piero and Maldini especially could have sued them and won as it was no longer normal behaviour on a football pitch.

 

[Alen]

Calling the Italians cheaters when the Koreans get away with much worse simply isn't right.

So why does the football public worldwide do that?
Is it just because of Grosso's dive or there is much more into it?

Why doesn't the world consider the Poles divers or the Czechs cheaters? Why doesn't the world consider the Koreans cheaters?

Can it be ....nah it can't.....but can it be because the Italians earned such reputation by consistently diving, wasting time, faking fouls, fixing matches and everything that makes a football fan feel disgusted in the end and overreact even after a simple dive by Grosso?

If the Italians want to change the public opinion they have to start playing fair. With time the perception of the football fans will change. But they won't do it if Grosso dives at world cups and Gilardino makes the most ridiculous dive ever seen in a CL knock-out match.

 

[The Curr]

Why doesn't the world consider the Poles divers or the Czechs cheaters?

At least one Czech was a cheater.

 

[Red]

Keep it up, Alen.

You show those Italians who are the real cheats.


On a completely unrelated subject, I just came across this picture:

 

[king Ale]

 

[Enron]

Because it's simply the right thing to do. Calling the Italians cheaters when the Koreans get away with much worse simply isn't right. It's what we call double standards. And I think these double standards are at play here, because a certain someone doesn't like Italy.

If you look at footage from the Korea-Italy game it is shocking. And the Koreans do cheat. They don't dive, no. But they seem to know that they will get away with anything. Del Piero and Maldini especially could have sued them and won as it was no longer normal behaviour on a football pitch.

Why not say they're both cheaters? Just because someone is wronged in the past doesn't exempt them from future wrongs. Such an outlook is both immature and irresponsible.

The US got hosed against Germany in 2002 and you don't hear me calling the Germans cheaters. Even though Ollie Kahn knocked the ball out of his own goal.

 

[Alen]

Keep it up, Alen.

You show those Italians who are the real cheats.


On a completely unrelated subject, I just came across this picture:

That was a clear foul though

Just that Bilic touched the wrong part of his face
The foul was for everyone to see it.

 

[Alen]

That was a clear foul though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWwkvALBuUs

Just that Bilic touched the wrong part of his face
The foul was for everyone to see it.

And a clean red card, I must add. He kicked him in his face on purpose.

 

[king Ale]

Okay ok

 

[Red]

That was a clear foul though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWwkvALBuUs

Just that Bilic touched the wrong part of his face
The foul was for everyone to see it.

Similar to the Grosso 'dive' against Australia, the player chose to exaggerate the contact.

I don't understand why folk get so high and mighty about these things.

I want a team I care about to do whatever is necessary to win.

 

[Alen]

Similar to the Grosso 'dive' against Australia, the player chose to exaggerate the contact.

It's not similar at all. Bilic had no time to think about exaggerating anything. It was a KO. A hit with full strength directly in his face.

 

[Red]

It's not similar at all. Bilic had no time to think about exaggerating anything. It was a KO. A hit with full strength directly in his face.

You Croats must be a right bunch of wimps if you think that was a full strength strike.

 

[juventus1897]

So why does the football public worldwide do that?
Is it just because of Grosso's dive or there is much more into it?

The football public worldwide? Maybe because you have selective hearing/reading. Shows you don't have the slightest idea about the football public anywhere else than in your head and on this forum.

 

[juventus1897]

It's not similar at all. Bilic had no time to think about exaggerating anything. It was a KO. A hit with full strength directly in his face.

A KO?? It was an open-handed bitch slap. He totally made the most of it, and what you don't see in that vid is that Bilic gets up right afterwards as if nothing happened. Pretty soft KO

 

[Alen]

The football public worldwide? Maybe because you have selective hearing/reading. Shows you don't have the slightest idea about the football public anywhere else than in your head and on this forum.

Oh, I've been to many places. Watched football in many countries, with many people. Heard commentators from different TV stations in different countries. There is a general consensus that the Italians are:
1. Not playing fair
2. Play slow and boring football
3. Always play catenaccio

Now, you and I both know that these are cliches and many times this has little to do with reality. But they earned that reputation and they don't do much in order to change something.

One might ask why should they even bother with it and why should they change anything at all regarding it. Fair question but the one who asks that question shouldn't object too much and take it as an insult when he hears someone saying the above 3 comments.

 

[Alen]

A KO?? It was an open-handed bitch slap. He totally made the most of it, and what you don't see in that vid is that Bilic gets up right afterwards as if nothing happened. Pretty soft KO

If Bilic was Italian you'd have already taken Blanc to court and accused him of genocide and a French conspiracy to kill all the Italian footballers.

It was a malicious direct kick in Bilic's face. No matter how you twist it, it was a direct red card. Bilic could have acted as if all his bones are broken but it doesn't take away the fact that it was a red card foul.

And no, it's not the same with Grosso's penalty, because many will say that it was hardly a penalty and they'll be right.

 

[juventus1897]

If Bilic was Italian you'd have already taken Blanc to court and accused him of genocide and a French conspiracy to kill all the Italian footballers.

It was a malicious direct kick in Bilic's face. No matter how you twist it, it was a direct red card. Bilic could have acted as if all his bones are broken but it doesn't take away the fact that it was a red card foul.

And no, it's not the same with Grosso's penalty, because many will say that it was hardly a penalty and they'll be right.

No I wouldn't have. But a fair italian, that's something you can't even imagine, so why bother.

It wasn't a kick, you kick with your feet. And it wasn't a punch, because it was open-handed. Either way, I'm not arguing that it was a red card, because even a bitch slap to the face like that is a red card, but that acting by Bilic is so unfair as well, because nobody would drop to the floor like that from a silly slap.

 

[king Ale]

If Bilic was Italian you'd have already taken Blanc to court and accused him of genocide and a French conspiracy to kill all the Italian footballers.

It was a malicious direct kick in Bilic's face. No matter how you twist it, it was a direct red card. Bilic could have acted as if all his bones are broken but it doesn't take away the fact that it was a red card foul.

And no, it's not the same with Grosso's penalty, because many will say that it was hardly a penalty and they'll be right.

You are not biased at all. You are also not bitter at all

 

[juventus1897]

Oh, I've been to many places. Watched football in many countries, with many people. Heard commentators from different TV stations in different countries. There is a general consensus that the Italians are:
1. Not playing fair
2. Play slow and boring football
3. Always play catenaccio

Now, you and I both know that these are cliches and many times this has little to do with reality. But they earned that reputation and they don't do much in order to change something.

One might ask why should they even bother with it and why should they change anything at all regarding it. Fair question but the one who asks that question shouldn't object too much and take it as an insult when he hears someone saying the above 3 comments.

Dude I've heard lots of prejudice bullshit from all over the world, mostly towards everyone but their own nation. These are made by dumb people, so you spreading them because you heard some idiot say it is just as stupid.