Napoli with Higgy in 2016, 82pts, 80 goals scored. a season later when we bought him, 86pts, 94 goals. we really screwed them over
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Shameless revisionism.
How was he unprofessional at Juve? Can you name one instance where he blamed his teammates after a game, or refused to listen to Allegri?
Did you miss all the important goals he scored last season? We'd be out in the CL groups and second in Serie A if it weren't for his goals in the big games.
I can't name a single player that scored 55 goals in their first 2 seasons at Juve. Ronaldo will probably be the only one who surpasses that number.
How was he unprofessional at Juve? Can you name one instance where he blamed his teammates after a game, or refused to listen to Allegri?
Did you miss all the important goals he scored last season? We'd be out in the CL groups and second in Serie A if it weren't for his goals in the big games.
I can't name a single player that scored 55 goals in their first 2 seasons at Juve. Ronaldo will probably be the only one who surpasses that number.
he did score 55 goals, but did he elevate us to a higher level? without him in 15/16, we scored 75 goals and won 91pts. with him we improved for 2 goals, scoring 77pts and winning again 91pts. and the team was better in all areas except Pogbas position. the lads above are right, he was bought in to deliver in the CL, and he had 2/6 KO rounds where he did. not enough
Napoli last season with Higuain: 82 points, 80 goals scored
Juventus that season: 91 points, 75 goals scored
Juventus first season with Higuain: 91 points, 77 goals scored
Napoli that season: 86 points, 94 goals scored
We really really did them dirty...
ADL was laughing to the bank as soon as we activated his RC, he was begging teams all summer to do it.
Juventus that season: 91 points, 75 goals scored
Juventus first season with Higuain: 91 points, 77 goals scored
Napoli that season: 86 points, 94 goals scored
We really really did them dirty...
ADL was laughing to the bank as soon as we activated his RC, he was begging teams all summer to do it.
We were also approximately 35 minutes away from winning a treble and played a much better game than in Cardiff. No one is acting as if we got knocked out in the first round/round of 16 in both seasons with Higuain but the fact is he barely contributed to those two seasons in Europe. If you wanna pretend he was our best player during those CL campaigns (as he should've been based on why we bought him and what was expected) then you should look in the mirror while calling someone a moron.
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That's no one's logic, or at least not that only. Ronaldo is clearly the best player on the field in 90% of games, whether he scored or not. Higuain if he wasn't scoring was basically useless. One is an all-around player who contributes in every part of the game, the other is a poacher who was either non-existent or missed sitters when we needed him most while also offering very little otherwise. It's not hard.
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I'm gonna laugh if we finish the season with less goals than the last one.
Because if we go by the brilliant logic of some tuzzers, it would mean Ronaldo signing was a faiilure.
Because if we go by the brilliant logic of some tuzzers, it would mean Ronaldo signing was a faiilure.
I'm gonna laugh if we finish the season with less goals than the last one.
Because if we go by the brilliant logic of some tuzzers, it would mean Ronaldo signing was a faiilure.
Because if we go by the brilliant logic of some tuzzers, it would mean Ronaldo signing was a faiilure.
He was unprofessional by coming to training camp out of shape both seasons. Now, you could say that's just genetics or it's hard for some people or some people play their way into shape so they're ready for the final push. That would be cool if he didn't come back in tip top shape as soon as we bought his replacement (and then fattening up at Milan again bc he's unhappy) or if he didn't absolutely fall apart physically both years because he was a fat fuck all year.
As far as Allegri, there were many reports he had a fight with him for being benched in Coppa final vs Milan. But we'll never really know much about that from Juve's side bc Agnelli runs a very tight ship.
His big moments were usually very far in between very bad moments. Sure he scored big goals in Serie A vs Napoli, Inter etc. But:
1. So did other players who were paid much less. We did not buy Higuain for 90m to dominate Serie A again
2. His goal vs Inter in particular last year wouldn't have been needed if he wasn't useless in all the other games to close the season and when we let Napoli back in the race. Our 90m striker scored 2 goals in last 14 games ffs
What I want the most from best and most paid players is consistency. You can't be the highest earner, one of top 5 players in the team and be great every 10 games (not literally). What I wanted from him is what Tevez did, what Ronaldo is doing now (obv not at the same level). You're supposedly that good, you're paid that much, you have to be the driving force of your team every single game. He had 10 super hot games, then 10 games where he barely moves. He scored 2 goals vs Tottenham then missed a sitter and a penalty to finish the tie right there. Then he wins us the second leg, then becomes a ghost vs RM 1st and misses an open goal in 2nd leg.
He has enough talent to pile up goals obviously, that's never been his problem. What he has in legs he lacks in head. There's a reason every fanbase celebrated him leaving. There's a good reason whole of Argentina hates him. Milan fans are turning on him ffs. He's simply not a big club player and that's it.
As far as Allegri, there were many reports he had a fight with him for being benched in Coppa final vs Milan. But we'll never really know much about that from Juve's side bc Agnelli runs a very tight ship.
His big moments were usually very far in between very bad moments. Sure he scored big goals in Serie A vs Napoli, Inter etc. But:
1. So did other players who were paid much less. We did not buy Higuain for 90m to dominate Serie A again
2. His goal vs Inter in particular last year wouldn't have been needed if he wasn't useless in all the other games to close the season and when we let Napoli back in the race. Our 90m striker scored 2 goals in last 14 games ffs
What I want the most from best and most paid players is consistency. You can't be the highest earner, one of top 5 players in the team and be great every 10 games (not literally). What I wanted from him is what Tevez did, what Ronaldo is doing now (obv not at the same level). You're supposedly that good, you're paid that much, you have to be the driving force of your team every single game. He had 10 super hot games, then 10 games where he barely moves. He scored 2 goals vs Tottenham then missed a sitter and a penalty to finish the tie right there. Then he wins us the second leg, then becomes a ghost vs RM 1st and misses an open goal in 2nd leg.
He has enough talent to pile up goals obviously, that's never been his problem. What he has in legs he lacks in head. There's a reason every fanbase celebrated him leaving. There's a good reason whole of Argentina hates him. Milan fans are turning on him ffs. He's simply not a big club player and that's it.
"Higuain was terrible in CL" -> Some of the troglodytes here have an obsession with him. I'm wondering what their reaction was when he almost single handedly made us defeat Spurs or when he was clutch against Monaco. I'm not going to pretend Gonzalo has always and solely been confident in all big CL matches due to past experiences, but he certainly had important moments where he overcame that mental block with us. All around he has been really important for us and if he wasn't scoring, he was useful in other ways.
These were our scorers during the knockouts in the last two seasons:
Higuain – 5
Dybala – 4
Mandzukic – 4
Dani Alves – 2
Matuidi – 1
Chiellini – 1
Pjaca – 1
Those are pretty good numbers for someone deemed terrible and as I said the goals came at clutch and crucial moments and without those we might not have made it to the next round. I have no idea why he's being singled out.
These were our scorers during the knockouts in the last two seasons:
Higuain – 5
Dybala – 4
Mandzukic – 4
Dani Alves – 2
Matuidi – 1
Chiellini – 1
Pjaca – 1
Those are pretty good numbers for someone deemed terrible and as I said the goals came at clutch and crucial moments and without those we might not have made it to the next round. I have no idea why he's being singled out.
I literally singled out those games as his only great ones. What was your reaction when he went missing against all others?
He never overcame the mental block and he never will. You see how he's throwing tantrums in two games vs Milan this year. You see how he reacts to justified criticism in the media.
That's cool, all his 5 goals came against 2 teams. You're basically excusing him because our other 6 players which didn't cost us combined as much as Higuain did and 4 of them are not strikers didn't score more lol.
He's not being singled out. Dybala has been criticized plenty. Pjanić too. Matuidi got dumped on often for not being Pogba. Cuadrado, Morata, Pjanić, etc etc. But even if he was - there are different expectations for different players. I don't expect same things from Mario and Higuain. One has infinitely more talent than the other yet the other has contributed so much more.
Again, it's not JUST goals or lack thereof. It's also lack of everything else the team needs from him. No one nowadays is expected to contribute to just one thing on the pitch.
He never overcame the mental block and he never will. You see how he's throwing tantrums in two games vs Milan this year. You see how he reacts to justified criticism in the media.
That's cool, all his 5 goals came against 2 teams. You're basically excusing him because our other 6 players which didn't cost us combined as much as Higuain did and 4 of them are not strikers didn't score more lol.
He's not being singled out. Dybala has been criticized plenty. Pjanić too. Matuidi got dumped on often for not being Pogba. Cuadrado, Morata, Pjanić, etc etc. But even if he was - there are different expectations for different players. I don't expect same things from Mario and Higuain. One has infinitely more talent than the other yet the other has contributed so much more.
Again, it's not JUST goals or lack thereof. It's also lack of everything else the team needs from him. No one nowadays is expected to contribute to just one thing on the pitch.
Higuain is a player you need the team around him to work for him, to get him his goals. one of the reasons i was against him to begin with, because i was high on building the team around Dybala and Pogba. we forced Mandzukic who was unbenchable, out wide where he was still WC, because of Higuain. we invented a new role for Dybala between a midfield 2 and CF, because of Higuain. the whole team was built around him, so if he didnt even get us goals then, he would have been an epic failure. like i said above, he had 2 good KO ties, out of 6 he played in for us. not only because he didnt score, but because he was completely out of the game, doing nothing. if you guys think thats good enough, thats fine, but it wont cut it for me. props to his good Serie A games, but with all due respect, we have been doing it without him just as good
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he was just about to get going, even scored in the CL knockouts, then that damn injury 
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Pjaca 
I've never liked Higuain, and found his weight issues to begin each season infuriating... And he did have a tendency to go missing against the biggest teams... Barca and Madrid mostly... but it's quite ridiculous, the nonsense posted about him in here. Higuain was the main reason we made the quarterfinals last year... Dude scored 5 goals - 1 assist in 9 CL matches.
If we're judging Higuain on such standards, and calling him a flop... let's judge Dybala's CL campaign on them too. 1 goal (on 33 shots attempted), 0 assists, 1 red card in 8 matches. And the red card was what put us in a close to insurmountable hole against Madrid. You know you're most talented attacking player is performing up to snuff when he has as many red cards as goals and assists combined in an entire CL campaign.
People should be grateful for the 55 goals-11 assists Higgy provided the last two seasons, helping us win 2 domestic doubles, and compete at the highest level in the CL... It was time for him to go this summer, and he does look to be in decline, so I think it's great we moved on from him (even more so with Ronaldo move). But a little gratitude goes a long way.
I've never liked Higuain, and found his weight issues to begin each season infuriating... And he did have a tendency to go missing against the biggest teams... Barca and Madrid mostly... but it's quite ridiculous, the nonsense posted about him in here. Higuain was the main reason we made the quarterfinals last year... Dude scored 5 goals - 1 assist in 9 CL matches.
If we're judging Higuain on such standards, and calling him a flop... let's judge Dybala's CL campaign on them too. 1 goal (on 33 shots attempted), 0 assists, 1 red card in 8 matches. And the red card was what put us in a close to insurmountable hole against Madrid. You know you're most talented attacking player is performing up to snuff when he has as many red cards as goals and assists combined in an entire CL campaign.
People should be grateful for the 55 goals-11 assists Higgy provided the last two seasons, helping us win 2 domestic doubles, and compete at the highest level in the CL... It was time for him to go this summer, and he does look to be in decline, so I think it's great we moved on from him (even more so with Ronaldo move). But a little gratitude goes a long way.
I've never liked Higuain, and found his weight issues to begin each season infuriating... And he did have a tendency to go missing against the biggest teams... Barca and Madrid mostly... but it's quite ridiculous, the nonsense posted about him in here. Higuain was the main reason we made the quarterfinals last year... Dude scored 5 goals - 1 assist in 9 CL matches.
If we're judging Higuain on such standards, and calling him a flop... let's judge Dybala's CL campaign on them too. 1 goal (on 33 shots attempted), 0 assists, 1 red card in 8 matches. And the red card was what put us in a close to insurmountable hole against Madrid. You know you're most talented attacking player is performing up to snuff when he has as many red cards as goals and assists combined in an entire CL campaign.
People should be grateful for the 55 goals-11 assists Higgy provided the last two seasons, helping us win 2 domestic doubles, and compete at the highest level in the CL... It was time for him to go this summer, and he does look to be in decline, so I think it's great we moved on from him (even more so with Ronaldo move). But a little gratitude goes a long way.
You could quite easily go through almost every player who has played for us, and pick them apart for various little things.
Take Tevez mentioned above as a great example for what Higuain should have been, for while he was fantastic both seasons in Serie A (just like Higgy), and fantastic in CL in 14-15... I guess, unlike Higuain, he gets a pass for his appalling first European campaign for us with 1 goal in 12 games between CL and EL in 13-14, and us getting knocked out CL in group stage, and EL in Semifinal by Benfica when final was in our stadium.
Doesn't mean he wasn't overall amazing for us, and i am still super grateful for what he did here.
Take Tevez mentioned above as a great example for what Higuain should have been, for while he was fantastic both seasons in Serie A (just like Higgy), and fantastic in CL in 14-15... I guess, unlike Higuain, he gets a pass for his appalling first European campaign for us with 1 goal in 12 games between CL and EL in 13-14, and us getting knocked out CL in group stage, and EL in Semifinal by Benfica when final was in our stadium.
Doesn't mean he wasn't overall amazing for us, and i am still super grateful for what he did here.
When your main argument in favor of Higuain is 'look at these other guys who underperformed too' that should tell you everything. I've criticized Dybala the same way a while back and got a pushback on that but now his struggles are used to justify Higuain's failures. We should be happy our record signing, our best player by some only got outplayed by a little by Tevez who was in retirement basically a year later and we bought him almost in retirement before that. 
Honestly, it's only on here and some parts of Juve twitter that still defend the guy. Everyone else, fans of teams he played for and neutrals, are well aware of what he is. It wasn't that he was just bad, he singlehandedly knocked every one of his teams at least once out of a major competition.
Back for Real missed a wide open goal vs Lyon - Pjanić knocks them out.
For Argentina that miss in the WC, a missed penalty in one Copa America final, missed open goal in another.
For Napoli that year they finished 3rd in CL group stage with 12 points (record for not going through) in a decisive game vs Dortmund misses 1-1 with the keeper, Dortmund go the other way, score and go through. For Napoli vs Lazio, decisive penalty for CL qualification - skies it.
For Milan that penalty against us after he was so horny to score, almost felt bad lol
And I didn't follow any of them as closely as Juve and I'm sure there's many more as there were for us.
Honestly, it's only on here and some parts of Juve twitter that still defend the guy. Everyone else, fans of teams he played for and neutrals, are well aware of what he is. It wasn't that he was just bad, he singlehandedly knocked every one of his teams at least once out of a major competition.
Back for Real missed a wide open goal vs Lyon - Pjanić knocks them out.
For Argentina that miss in the WC, a missed penalty in one Copa America final, missed open goal in another.
For Napoli that year they finished 3rd in CL group stage with 12 points (record for not going through) in a decisive game vs Dortmund misses 1-1 with the keeper, Dortmund go the other way, score and go through. For Napoli vs Lazio, decisive penalty for CL qualification - skies it.
For Milan that penalty against us after he was so horny to score, almost felt bad lol
And I didn't follow any of them as closely as Juve and I'm sure there's many more as there were for us.
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