Gonzalo Higuaín - CF - Napoli (14 Viewers)

Pipita for 94 mil, yea or nay

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zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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2015/2016 : knocked out by villareal

First leg : glorified b team that lost 1-0, Higuain came on as a sub at '67

Second leg : still rested some key players, drew the game after wasting a ton of chances

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Seriously what the fuck is this shit


Icardi :lol: :lol :lol:

16 goals and 4 assists in 32 games while entirely focussing in serie a. This guy has 0 european pedigree and is unproven and a complete cunt.

and has a price higher then Dybala :lol:

Please, fuck Icardi :lol:



Cavani played at a better Napoli, and had a significantly inferior final season compared to Higuain. These are the simple facts
Cavanis final season:
43 games, 38 goals, 8 assists

Higuains final season:
42 games, 38 goals, 4 assists

facts


Cavanis Napoli better? lets compare

MDS
Campagnaro Cannavaro Britos
Maggio Inler Behrami Hamsik Zuniga
Pandev Cavani

vs

Reina
Hysaj Albiol Koulibaly Ghoulam
Allan Jorginho Hamsik
Callejon Higuain Insigne​



about Icardi, im not claiming hes better than Pipita btw. but at 23 years age, already being top scorer in Serie A, being almost twice less expensive and on significantly lesser wages, he would be a better investment. thats all

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Oh, also, Cavani is 29.5 years old, compared to Higuain's 28.5.


Since you were all so bothered with age, thats quite a significant difference, especially since Cavani relies alot on his physique, where as Higuain is currently playing with a borderline pot belly
we were bothered with the price we are paying for a 28-29 year old player. 94M is ridiculous and you know it. add to that his 7.5M wages, which makes him the highest paid player in Juve and Serie A, and hes expensive as fuck. Cavani would cost far less if he came, and is a better player when both are in top form

no one would complain about a 60M
 

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Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Cavani final season's team was superior over the current

better goalkeeper, better defence (especially the potent 3-5-2 setup) and excellent for europe.


Cavani :

Serie a : 29 goals+4 assists in 2981 minutes = 0.99 G+A / game
Europa : 7 goals + 0 assists in 464 minutes = 1.36 G+A / game


Higuain :

Serie a : 36 goals + 2 assists in 2978 minutes = 1.09 G+A / game
Europa : 2 goals + 0 assists in 224 minutes = 0.80 G+a / game


Cavani's stats took a great boost from playing all those EL games, where as Napoli didnt give a shit about the EL. Higuain started 2 games and came on as a late sub 3 times


Higuain was clearly the better goalscorer.



What we want is the best goalscorer. Cavani has not been the prime forward for 3 seasons in a weak league now, while Higuain just had his best ever ST season as the main striker.


Higuain is simply the best choice.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Cavani final season's team was superior over the current

better goalkeeper, better defence (especially the potent 3-5-2 setup) and excellent for europe.


Cavani :

Serie a : 29 goals+4 assists in 2981 minutes = 0.99 G+A / game
Europa : 7 goals + 0 assists in 464 minutes = 1.36 G+A / game


Higuain :

Serie a : 36 goals + 2 assists in 2978 minutes = 1.09 G+A / game
Europa : 2 goals + 0 assists in 224 minutes = 0.80 G+a / game


Cavani's stats took a great boost from playing all those EL games, where as Napoli didnt give a shit about the EL. Higuain started 2 games and came on as a late sub 3 times


Higuain was clearly the better goalscorer.



What we want is the best goalscorer. Cavani has not been the prime forward for 3 seasons in a weak league now, while Higuain just had his best ever ST season as the main striker.


Higuain is simply the best choice.
a lot of incorrect stats. i already wrote about Cavanis stats, which are 38 goals and 8 assists. if you spread them out through competitions it looks like this:

Serie A - 29 goals, 5 assists in 34 games or 2981 minutes - a goal/assist every 87.7 minutes
Coppa - 1 goal in 1 game or 90 minutes - a goal every 90 minutes
SC - 1 goal in 1 game or 120 minutes (extratime) - a goal every 120 minutes
EL - 7 goals, 3 assists in 7 games or 462 minutes - a goal/assist every 46.2 minutes
Total - 38 goals, 8 assists in 43 games or 3683 minutes - a goal/assist every 80.1 minutes

Higuain this season:
Serie A - 36 goals, 3 assists in 35 games or 2974 minutes - a goal/assist every 76.3 minutes
Coppa - 1 assist in 2 games or 90 minutes - an assist every 90 minutes
EL - 2 goals in 5 games or 223 minutes - a goal every 111.5 minutes
Total - 38 goals, 4 assists in 42 games or 3287 minutes - a goal or assist every 78.3 minutes

pretty similar goal/assist per minute ratio, difference is Cavani played in the worse team. he was carrying a weaker Napoli team to a 2nd place finish. yes weaker, MDS back then is not better than current Reina, and neither was the defense (conceded 32 goals this season, 36 in 2013). Campagnaro was sold to inter because he was bad, Cannavaro lol, Britos was benched once Albiol and Koulibaly came. both midfields had in form Hamsiks, Allan and Jorginho are obviously better than Inler and Behrami. key difference is Higuain is being partnered by a 12 goals, 10 assists Insigne on one side and a 7 goals, 7 assists Callejon. Cavani played next to an old and declining Pandev mostly (6 goals 8 assists that season). so not sure what makes you think Napoli was stronger back then than right now.

even if Higuain is the better finisher, which you seem to think we need at any cost, Cavani is the better overall player and when in his best form, id easily take him over Pipita. especially since he would be significantly cheaper
 

Roman

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Apr 19, 2003
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I love Cavani but our problem is that he's in PSG.
They are not in a need of a money,and club relations are pretty cold(just read it today again),so we are NOT in a possition to go and negotiate with them for
Cavani,especially now that Ibra left,and Cavani is their main CF.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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I love Cavani but our problem is that he's in PSG.
They are not in a need of a money,and club relations are pretty cold(just read it today again),so we are NOT in a possition to go and negotiate with them for
Cavani,especially now that Ibra left,and Cavani is their main CF.
im hearing that he doesent want to renew his contract and that we have an agreement with the player ( @Valerio. can confirm, not sure where he heard/read it ).

im not gonna say anything but if PSG signs a top CF we could start fapping
 
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At Argentina, the exact same can be said of Messi and Aguero. Are they also big game chokers ?
Fair point, but we are not about to sign Messi or Aguero are we. I can go with the idea that playing for the national team is a different story with a lot of things like pressure and different team chemistry to take into consideration than at his usual club football, but still: he has gotten a reputation to fail when it matters the most.
 

KB824

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im hearing that he doesent want to renew his contract and that we have an agreement with the player ( @Valerio. can confirm, not sure where he heard/read it ).

im not gonna say anything but if PSG signs a top CF we could start fapping
Such as whom?

Again, this comes down to whom is available. And wouldn't a team like PSG be looking to add to what they currently have? They already have a top CF in Cavani, so they wouldn't be looking for another one. They would be looking for a SS to support him.

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Not just Beppe, but Allegri too.

They are the only ones who are smiling :lol:
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Such as whom?

Again, this comes down to whom is available. And wouldn't a team like PSG be looking to add to what they currently have? They already have a top CF in Cavani, so they wouldn't be looking for another one.
if what Valerio is saying is true, that we have an agreement with the player (no idea what his sources are), and if what the media reported few times is also true, that he wont renew his contract, anything could happen. i wont raise my hopes up obviously, all im saying is if they sign a top CF, and that might or might not happen, that means Cavani could be asking for a transfer
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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a lot of incorrect stats.
Lets not fucking bullshit like this shall we. I got everything i wrote down straigth from whoscored, so those stats are exactly correct. But you can always try to list them in a different way.

i already wrote about Cavanis stats, which are 38 goals and 8 assists. if you spread them out through competitions it looks like this:


Serie A - 29 goals, 5 assists in 34 games or 2981 minutes - a goal/assist every 87.7 minutes
Coppa - 1 goal in 1 game or 90 minutes - a goal every 90 minutes
SC - 1 goal in 1 game or 120 minutes (extratime) - a goal every 120 minutes
EL - 7 goals, 3 assists in 7 games or 462 minutes - a goal/assist every 46.2 minutes
Total - 38 goals, 8 assists in 43 games or 3683 minutes - a goal/assist every 80.1 minutes

Higuain this season:
Serie A - 36 goals, 3 assists in 35 games or 2974 minutes - a goal/assist every 76.3 minutes
Coppa - 1 assist in 2 games or 90 minutes - an assist every 90 minutes
EL - 2 goals in 5 games or 223 minutes - a goal every 111.5 minutes
Total - 38 goals, 4 assists in 42 games or 3287 minutes - a goal or assist every 78.3 minutes
i'm not sure where you got your stats from, as they are clearly wrong. Based mine on whoscored, which is widely considered the most correct database for stats per minute.

pretty similar goal/assist per minute ratio, difference is Cavani played in the worse team. he was carrying a weaker Napoli team to a 2nd place finish. yes weaker, MDS back then is not better than current Reina, and neither was the defense (conceded 32 goals this season, 36 in 2013). Campagnaro was sold to inter because he was bad, Cannavaro lol, Britos was benched once Albiol and Koulibaly came. both midfields had in form Hamsiks, Allan and Jorginho are obviously better than Inler and Behrami. key difference is Higuain is being partnered by a 12 goals, 10 assists Insigne on one side and a 7 goals, 7 assists Callejon. Cavani played next to an old and declining Pandev mostly (6 goals 8 assists that season). so not sure what makes you think Napoli was stronger back then than right now.
There really is no debate over the quality of napoli's two teams. Cavani's team+lavezzi went on a rampage in europe and put Bayern City and villareal to shame, and still had a significant team the year after. That 5-3-2/3-5-2 was simply excellent, and much better then the team today, who never repeated such heights despite having Higuain up front, sided by players who mostly shine on the counterattack.

It really shone, when they went on an EL rampage the year after, extremely boosting cavani's stats that final season.


Higuain was doing better then cavani in the CL, but he had an inferior team all the way. This season he was fantastic in italy, and napoli absolutely trew the towel in europe. And this was with Higuain banned for a few games aswel,while in prime form, as he would have gone close to 40 goals or beyond if he had not been banned.


I cant believe you are dissing that 3-5-2 that was so fantasic in europe. [/QUOTE]


even if Higuain is the better finisher, which you seem to think we need at any cost, Cavani is the better overall player and when in his best form, id easily take him over Pipita. especially since he would be significantly cheaper.

Cavani is a more complete player. If you would put points on all ability, he'd score higher then Higuain offcourse, but look at when they shine :

Cavani is best when you play him as a lone central forward. He needs space to operate in, and i find that at uruguay its not working the best it can.

Higuain is more of a pure finisher, and needs players to do the creating, but he's a much better finisher, ergo why his stats suddenly racked up when napoli improved their creative quality.


But we are comparing Cavani of 3 seasons ago, to current higuain ???


Cavani has had 3 seasons of an inferior role with alot less goals and more assists in a weak competition.
Higuain has scored those insane numbers this season, in defensive focussed serie a.


Thats the big difference here. One guy is in the form of his life and scoring record amounts of goals. The other was scoring a high amount 3 seasons ago, but spend 3 years in an inferior league.


Obviously our board will easily pick Higuain over Cavani. Hence, Higuain wants to come here and his agent is pushing big time for it. Does Cavani even want to leave PSG , aside from contract issues which seems like a second main sport over there...

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im hearing that he doesent want to renew his contract and that we have an agreement with the player ( @Valerio. can confirm, not sure where he heard/read it ).

im not gonna say anything but if PSG signs a top CF we could start fapping
yes, and Bonucci will go to PSG


o wait, new improved contract !


its July, its improved contract month. Cavani isng going anywere

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if what Valerio is saying is true, that we have an agreement with the player (no idea what his sources are), and if what the media reported few times is also true, that he wont renew his contract, anything could happen. i wont raise my hopes up obviously, all im saying is if they sign a top CF, and that might or might not happen, that means Cavani could be asking for a transfer
We have heard this story about 'having an agreement with the player' for 5 seasons now, only to see said player sign elseware for twice the wages.


Unless the player, agent or manager says anything about it, there is nothing.


Example, Higuain's agent said he wants to fucking leave the place and isnt comming back while beeing in contact with us
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Lets not fucking bullshit like this shall we. I got everything i wrote down straigth from whoscored, so those stats are exactly correct. But you can always try to list them in a different way.

i already wrote about Cavanis stats, which are 38 goals and 8 assists. if you spread them out through competitions it looks like this:




i'm not sure where you got your stats from, as they are clearly wrong. Based mine on whoscored, which is widely considered the most correct database for stats per minute.



There really is no debate over the quality of napoli's two teams. Cavani's team+lavezzi went on a rampage in europe and put Bayern City and villareal to shame, and still had a significant team the year after. That 5-3-2/3-5-2 was simply excellent, and much better then the team today, who never repeated such heights despite having Higuain up front, sided by players who mostly shine on the counterattack.

It really shone, when they went on an EL rampage the year after, extremely boosting cavani's stats that final season.


Higuain was doing better then cavani in the CL, but he had an inferior team all the way. This season he was fantastic in italy, and napoli absolutely trew the towel in europe. And this was with Higuain banned for a few games aswel,while in prime form, as he would have gone close to 40 goals or beyond if he had not been banned.


I cant believe you are dissing that 3-5-2 that was so fantasic in europe.




Cavani is a more complete player. If you would put points on all ability, he'd score higher then Higuain offcourse, but look at when they shine :

Cavani is best when you play him as a lone central forward. He needs space to operate in, and i find that at uruguay its not working the best it can.

Higuain is more of a pure finisher, and needs players to do the creating, but he's a much better finisher, ergo why his stats suddenly racked up when napoli improved their creative quality.


But we are comparing Cavani of 3 seasons ago, to current higuain ???


Cavani has had 3 seasons of an inferior role with alot less goals and more assists in a weak competition.
Higuain has scored those insane numbers this season, in defensive focussed serie a.


Thats the big difference here. One guy is in the form of his life and scoring record amounts of goals. The other was scoring a high amount 3 seasons ago, but spend 3 years in an inferior league.


Obviously our board will easily pick Higuain over Cavani. Hence, Higuain wants to come here and his agent is pushing big time for it. Does Cavani even want to leave PSG , aside from contract issues which seems like a second main sport over there...

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yes, and Bonucci will go to PSG


o wait, new improved contract !


its July, its improved contract month. Cavani isng going anywere[/QUOTE]

i just compared you, player by player, that this Napoli is better. that 2013 team didnt have Lavezzi, they had Pandev supporting Cavani. Inler-Behrami midfield supporting Hamsik. clearly, this current team has more good/great players and play much better under Sarri than that team under Mazzarri.

and i was obviously comparing the 2 at top form when i said Cavani at his best is better overall player than Higuain at his best. what better place to bring out the best out of a player like Cavani than Juventus? none. Cavani played mostly at the wing for PSG and still put in great numbers (comparable to Higuians past 3 seasons).

there is no argument for me really whom would i pick between a 94M Higuain and a 60M Cavani (maybe even less). got my stats from transfermarkt btw
 

zizinho

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PSG, who already dislike us, would not sell us their ONLY fucking striker for 200M
yes they only striker. what did i say though? if PSG sign a top striker right? in that case they would have 2 top strikers right? one on just 2 years on his contract and wanting out. we would have good chances to sign him in that case
 

Zacheryah

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there is no argument for me really whom would i pick between a 94M Higuain and a 60M Cavani (maybe even less). got my stats from transfermarkt btw
Whoscored is the way to go, they are more severe on awarding key passes and assists iirc.


Also, PSG would tell us to go fuck ourselves if we offer 60 mil right here right now. They have 0 intent of selling cavani. Either he's their main central guy, or he resumes the role he has done for the past years.


I'm not getting where you got the idea from that we could actually get him for that price.

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yes they only striker. what did i say though? if PSG sign a top striker right? in that case they would have 2 top strikers right? one on just 2 years on his contract and wanting out. we would have good chances to sign him in that case
So, how many top striker did when Zlatan played there ?
 

Pirlo's Beard

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Oct 2, 2013
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The price is stupid. But getting a World Class #9 and possibly winning the CL and cementing our place as a European Elite club, giving us a much better image and helping us attract the top talent in football is not.


Fucking hell I'd rather look back on my time as a Juve fan and fondly remember us winning our 3rd CL, not looking at our balance sheets and masturbating myself in to a coma.

If we can afford this, fucking go for it. It's time we won a fucking European final.

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yes they only striker. what did i say though? if PSG sign a top striker right? in that case they would have 2 top strikers right? one on just 2 years on his contract and wanting out. we would have good chances to sign him in that case
Sure if PSG sign a top striker then by all means, try for Cavani.

Except there's barely any on the market, and PSG went through all of this trouble keeping Cavani around even when they had Ibra, forcing him out of position. Now Ibra is gone and they what? Give up on Cavani too. I don't see it.
 
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