Global Financial Crisis (9 Viewers)

[IrishZebra]

You know what I find funny as well all these government support all our needs are usually the ones that don't help charities or the poor. That's why they want the government to do it. Like Scrooge in the Christmas Carol " Are there no work houses " in contrast us capitalist pigs are the most charitable nation on earth

Most 'charitable countries' by % of GDP given in ODA or to charity.
Sweden - 1.12%
Norway - 1.06%
Luxembourg - 1.01%
Pakistan - 1.0%
Denmark - 0.88%
Netherlands - 0.82%
Belgium - 0.55%
Finland - 0.54%
Ireland - 0.54%
United Kingdom - 0.52%


World Giving Index

1 Australia 57%
1 New Zealand 57%
3 Ireland 56%
3 Canada 56%
5 Switzerland 55%
5 USA 55%

Go ahead argue with these

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

That's exactly the perception of american regulation that I have. Is the real idea behind capitalism to have everything privately owned and operated purely for profit regulated by an invisible force that will somehow balance out all transactions over time? Is it somehow deluded to think that this system 'for profit' is not necessarily best suited to ensure the well being of the citizens?

My only thing to fall back on is the fact that you make sweeping generalisations about different countries and societies that have different concepts of the state and how it should run with no knowledge or experience of any of them? I don't think that's a very weak position to come from.

How would you like me to debate with you?

Of course you don't, you've made it abundantly clear that you think we're all a rabble of retarded arrogant dipshits. That's fine that's your opinion but I think you're wrong so I tell you I disagree and say why. I've already told you that I don't think Ireland should be in the Euro due to the same reason you think the Euro is a stupid idea. Why don't you take a step back and look at us and your own country in order to realise that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You're more than matching me in the arrogance stake here buddy



Barack Obama is the poorest excuse for a social democrat that I've ever seen in my entire life. You're ignorant because of statements like these.

I'm legit trying to re-create the constructive debate that was in here but you have to accept that other people, namely those that invent socialism and communism, view in a different light than you do and that the role of the government as' guarantor of physical security' is part of outdated politics. I respect your right to an opinion but also think that if you are saying something that I believe is very wrong or misguided that it needs to be called up on.

That's fine you can present your point of view but to call us ignorant and archaic because we believe in a limited government with a small scope and control isn't discussion its talking down to us

 

[IrishZebra]

But if those are archaic principals what do I do? I mean you've said a few things that are just straight up BS given the evidence at hand, that's both ignorant and arrogant seeing as you use it to talk up the USA

I called you ignorant mainly because you both talk about Europe as a uniform society that has one form of economic governance, we aren't, we're all very different.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But if those are archaic principals what do I do?

I called you ignorant mainly because you both talk about Europe as a uniform society that has one form of economic governance, we aren't, we're all very different.

Well for one it is your opinion that its archaic. Two most of Europe since the EU does have the same economy no matter what appearances are

 

[IrishZebra]

In a broad theoretical sense yes, in real terms, no.

Healthcare here is completely different to France, those guys take the piss with socialised healthcare.
Taxes here are different to those in England or Sweden
Education and Education funding here is different to that in the UK and every other EU country.


They are archaic simply because those sorts of countries existed in the past but don't any more, hence, outdated.

 

[Zlatan]

It's funny how Europeans always want to get into a dick measuring contest with us. Obviously they have an inferiority complex.

Zlatan, what the fuck do you know about economics?

I never said I knew much, weatherman, and never pretended to be an economic expert, unlike some.

Could you imagine if their were no subsidies !!! The prices of actual healthy food would drop , there wouldn't be shortages etc its unbelievable to me that people think telling a farmer what to grow is better than letting the market regulate what needs to be grown!

You do know that the US also has a lot of subsidies on agricultural products?

 

[Zlatan]

It is true that prices are naturally pushed higher with government involvement in anything.

I don't pay attention to people who think the government, this government, can solve any issues. The Europeans love to stand around claiming how great their economy is when they can't even control the valuation of their own currency, that's a laugh. Plus they don't understand why that's a bad thing.

The funny thing about these "let the government pay for it!" folks is that they have no real plan to actually pay for it. The Europeans sit around thinking that every single economy is the same because they are addicted to their goddamn flawed shite currency that everyone has.

The people pay it with higher taxes.

That's a truthful assessment. All these euro nations bloviate about their short work weeks and all encompassing government all the while, not seeing that its unsustainable !

It hasnt worked that poorly so far, not that your 70 hour work week is doing you much better and is sustainable.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I never said I knew much, weatherman, and never pretended to be an economic expert, unlike some.





You do know that the US also has a lot of subsidies on agricultural products?

Yes dis you nit realize I was being sarcastic

 

[Zlatan]

Yes dis you nit realize I was being sarcastic

Nope, I didnt, although tbh I wasnt paying that much attention

 

[IrishZebra]

BTW Zlatan lives in a social policy paradise, just saying

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Nope, I didnt, although tbh I wasnt paying that much attention

LOL

 

[Zlatan]

BTW Zlatan lives in a social policy paradise, just saying

I'm only here temporarily

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm only here temporarily

Were will you be later ?

 

[Zlatan]

Were will you be later ?

I seriously have no idea, depends on where I can get a job.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Zlatan is just angry about Srebrennica.

 

[Zlatan]

Zlatan is just angry about Srebrennica.

That was random... but no, I'm not mad about that.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I seriously have no idea, depends on where I can get a job.

Well good luck in the job search friend

 

[Zlatan]

Thanks

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Thanks

No problem man. Not working sucks

 

[IrishZebra]

Almost as bad as working in retail