We could just stop being so lazy. Just re-activate the draft and mandatory selective service. Problem solved.
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Well all in all does it even matter, his words ring true. The more comfortable one becomes on govt aid and programs the less they will fend for themselves. Example in the US the average farm hand now is illegals. If their was no aid for the american poor they would fill those jobs to fill their stomachs. Yet as the american poor get aid the illegals become the new uber poor and the rich in turn get richer. Wages are lower because they pay the illegals, the govt takes care of the poor and unemployed and the top rises. If there was no assistance, the unemployed would do whatever job was available, there would be no jobs for the illegals , straining our system and the rich would be forced to pay a fairer wage, while the govt would save billions and have no sheep
We pay both man and the rest 
VAT on good and services (lower in hospitality to encourage growth) between 13-21.5% AND Income Taxes between 22-45%, Universal Social Tax, Bin Tax,Water Tax,Household Tax,Car Tax,Television Tax Etc Etc.
I can empathise with hating taxes but not having an income tax is a bit misguided and what the Kochs and Murdoch and the other rich people bank-rolling the Teaparty want because it would make them even richer and provide no social security net for the poor.
VAT on good and services (lower in hospitality to encourage growth) between 13-21.5% AND Income Taxes between 22-45%, Universal Social Tax, Bin Tax,Water Tax,Household Tax,Car Tax,Television Tax Etc Etc.I can empathise with hating taxes but not having an income tax is a bit misguided and what the Kochs and Murdoch and the other rich people bank-rolling the Teaparty want because it would make them even richer and provide no social security net for the poor.
We pay both man and the rest VAT on good and services (lower in hospitality to encourage growth) between 13-21.5% AND Income Taxes between 22-45%, Universal Social Tax, Bin Tax,Water Tax,Household Tax,Car Tax,Television Tax Etc Etc.
I can empathise with hating taxes but not having an income tax is a bit misguided and what the Kochs and Murdoch and the other rich people bank-rolling the Teaparty want because it would make them even richer and provide no social security net for the poor.
VAT on good and services (lower in hospitality to encourage growth) between 13-21.5% AND Income Taxes between 22-45%, Universal Social Tax, Bin Tax,Water Tax,Household Tax,Car Tax,Television Tax Etc Etc.I can empathise with hating taxes but not having an income tax is a bit misguided and what the Kochs and Murdoch and the other rich people bank-rolling the Teaparty want because it would make them even richer and provide no social security net for the poor.
your a pretty serious socialist arent you
Simply, it means Sweden has a different economy than other economies, which is the point. If you want to see the US have a healthcare system like Sweden's then I'd love to see the plan. Unfortunately, it always ends up resulting in more spending.
Oh, cut the crap about that. The only thing Murdoch controls are the news outlets. Who gives a shit about that. You want to know the main culprits for the economic hardships we face? The banksters. Where do they get their bailouts from? The government, from taxpayers. Who allows them to get away with accounting fraud and betting against their own clients while being subject to "regulation"? The government. Who causes the value of the dollar to be debased in an effort to support the favored Wall Street banksters? The government-sponsored private Federal Reserve. So who gives a damn about Murdoch, he isn't the main problem we face.
I'm tired of paying taxes to an illegitimate, terrorist government that does nothing but undermine the middle class and have some goon squad stick their hands down my pants. I would love to pay zero taxes to these clowns.
We pay both man and the rest VAT on good and services (lower in hospitality to encourage growth) between 13-21.5% AND Income Taxes between 22-45%, Universal Social Tax, Bin Tax,Water Tax,Household Tax,Car Tax,Television Tax Etc Etc.
I can empathise with hating taxes but not having an income tax is a bit misguided and what the Kochs and Murdoch and the other rich people bank-rolling the Teaparty want because it would make them even richer and provide no social security net for the poor.
VAT on good and services (lower in hospitality to encourage growth) between 13-21.5% AND Income Taxes between 22-45%, Universal Social Tax, Bin Tax,Water Tax,Household Tax,Car Tax,Television Tax Etc Etc.I can empathise with hating taxes but not having an income tax is a bit misguided and what the Kochs and Murdoch and the other rich people bank-rolling the Teaparty want because it would make them even richer and provide no social security net for the poor.
I'm tired of paying taxes to an illegitimate, terrorist government that does nothing but undermine the middle class and have some goon squad stick their hands down my pants. I would love to pay zero taxes to these clowns.
No, I'm somewhere near the middle 
I believe in a fair society and a fair economy. I believe in only limited unemployment assistance and barely any social assistance to people who have created their own problems through negligence (the majority of teenage mothers, people who live a 'credit card; lifestyle etc.). I believe that everybody should have the opportunity to get a comparable education past 'high-school' and a low-interest government loan scheme tied to academic performance for College education wherein you only being repayment upon reaching a certain income bracket. I believe i free healthcare for every citizen with proportional costs sharing for those whos condition has come from negligence (e.g. a smoker having a lung replaced, a drunk guy falling down the stairs). I believe in pure entrepreneurship as opposed to 'Daddys Money', I think there should be punitive inheritance tax rates for rich people. I believe in fair income tax rates, a 10%,20%,30% and 50% rate intervaled at 15,000-27,500-50,000-150,000. I believe in state ownership of natural resources and chains of supply but competition in service provision.
I don't think that's very Socialist...
I believe in a fair society and a fair economy. I believe in only limited unemployment assistance and barely any social assistance to people who have created their own problems through negligence (the majority of teenage mothers, people who live a 'credit card; lifestyle etc.). I believe that everybody should have the opportunity to get a comparable education past 'high-school' and a low-interest government loan scheme tied to academic performance for College education wherein you only being repayment upon reaching a certain income bracket. I believe i free healthcare for every citizen with proportional costs sharing for those whos condition has come from negligence (e.g. a smoker having a lung replaced, a drunk guy falling down the stairs). I believe in pure entrepreneurship as opposed to 'Daddys Money', I think there should be punitive inheritance tax rates for rich people. I believe in fair income tax rates, a 10%,20%,30% and 50% rate intervaled at 15,000-27,500-50,000-150,000. I believe in state ownership of natural resources and chains of supply but competition in service provision.
I don't think that's very Socialist...
Seems to be a delusion about some free market here. Free markets doesn't exists and never will. Fundamentally because markets consists of people and people aren't rational. It does not imply people are stupid but being rational is a concept that doesn't fit the human behavior.
By the way, about Sweden. It's not necessarily so that the tax payer, you or me, has to pay for the healthcare. In Sweden there's a common understanding that the high taxes they pay is whats pays their med care and so forth. This isn't completely true, most of Sweden's income is based on exports, the so called turn key they export is a major factor behind Sweden's welfare and the major contributor to Sweden being able to afford their med care system. 70 percent of Sweden's income is coming from turn key. Of course the taxes the regular citizen is paying is a necessity but it's not the complete story.
What I'm trying to say is that the discussions seems to be revolving that the increasement of taxes is a requirement for USA to accomplish free med care as well. Yes, this is sort of true, but the taxes will mainly be funded from other places - IF - it is done correctly. Which I'm assuming Obama and the rest of his gang wants to apply. However, reducing their budget for their defence - well - that's another story which could lead to some promising futures for the American people.
Sorry for typing badly and maybe not making my self comprehensible. I'm tired and off to bed.
By the way, about Sweden. It's not necessarily so that the tax payer, you or me, has to pay for the healthcare. In Sweden there's a common understanding that the high taxes they pay is whats pays their med care and so forth. This isn't completely true, most of Sweden's income is based on exports, the so called turn key they export is a major factor behind Sweden's welfare and the major contributor to Sweden being able to afford their med care system. 70 percent of Sweden's income is coming from turn key. Of course the taxes the regular citizen is paying is a necessity but it's not the complete story.
What I'm trying to say is that the discussions seems to be revolving that the increasement of taxes is a requirement for USA to accomplish free med care as well. Yes, this is sort of true, but the taxes will mainly be funded from other places - IF - it is done correctly. Which I'm assuming Obama and the rest of his gang wants to apply. However, reducing their budget for their defence - well - that's another story which could lead to some promising futures for the American people.
Sorry for typing badly and maybe not making my self comprehensible. I'm tired and off to bed.
No, I'm somewhere near the middle
I believe in a fair society and a fair economy. I believe in only limited unemployment assistance and barely any social assistance to people who have created their own problems through negligence (the majority of teenage mothers, people who live a 'credit card; lifestyle etc.). I believe that everybody should have the opportunity to get a comparable education past 'high-school' and a low-interest government loan scheme tied to academic performance for College education wherein you only being repayment upon reaching a certain income bracket. I believe i free healthcare for every citizen with proportional costs sharing for those whos condition has come from negligence (e.g. a smoker having a lung replaced, a drunk guy falling down the stairs). I believe in pure entrepreneurship as opposed to 'Daddys Money', I think there should be punitive inheritance tax rates for rich people. I believe in fair income tax rates, a 10%,20%,30% and 50% rate intervaled at 15,000-27,500-50,000-150,000. I believe in state ownership of natural resources and chains of supply but competition in service provision.
I don't think that's very Socialist...
I believe in a fair society and a fair economy. I believe in only limited unemployment assistance and barely any social assistance to people who have created their own problems through negligence (the majority of teenage mothers, people who live a 'credit card; lifestyle etc.). I believe that everybody should have the opportunity to get a comparable education past 'high-school' and a low-interest government loan scheme tied to academic performance for College education wherein you only being repayment upon reaching a certain income bracket. I believe i free healthcare for every citizen with proportional costs sharing for those whos condition has come from negligence (e.g. a smoker having a lung replaced, a drunk guy falling down the stairs). I believe in pure entrepreneurship as opposed to 'Daddys Money', I think there should be punitive inheritance tax rates for rich people. I believe in fair income tax rates, a 10%,20%,30% and 50% rate intervaled at 15,000-27,500-50,000-150,000. I believe in state ownership of natural resources and chains of supply but competition in service provision.
I don't think that's very Socialist...
And governments are so rational. They're so smart and always do the right thing. They've never destroyed an economy and have never killed anyone in the history of the world.
Some of the most inane economic arguments in the world today consist of thinking a command and control economy by governments will lead you towards economic growth. It is complete lunacy because that is exactly what is ruining my own country; the Federal Reserve, in conjunction with the federal government, trying to plan every single facet of society as to guard against a recession. And what is their only course of action in staving off a recession? Spending money.
Recessions are supposed to be a good thing in economics. It pushes the insolvent or the incompetent players out of the market for better firms to take their place. In command and control economies, this process isn't allowed to occur because cronies in government bail out their friends. I'd much rather have a market dictate what happens in the world because at least if the shitheads make a bad bet they will end up offing themselves.
Well, then you would assume wrong, because Obummer only cares about the illusion of doing the right thing. Everything he agrees to is only a detriment to myself and the rest of the middle class, and I'm someone who voted for the fucking clown.
Some of the most inane economic arguments in the world today consist of thinking a command and control economy by governments will lead you towards economic growth. It is complete lunacy because that is exactly what is ruining my own country; the Federal Reserve, in conjunction with the federal government, trying to plan every single facet of society as to guard against a recession. And what is their only course of action in staving off a recession? Spending money.
Recessions are supposed to be a good thing in economics. It pushes the insolvent or the incompetent players out of the market for better firms to take their place. In command and control economies, this process isn't allowed to occur because cronies in government bail out their friends. I'd much rather have a market dictate what happens in the world because at least if the shitheads make a bad bet they will end up offing themselves.
Well, then you would assume wrong, because Obummer only cares about the illusion of doing the right thing. Everything he agrees to is only a detriment to myself and the rest of the middle class, and I'm someone who voted for the fucking clown.
I'm not necessarily a big fan of Obama's healthcare bill, but I don't see how anyone with an entrepreneurial mindset can keep their disgust down with the current healthcare system. It's ridiculously removed from any supply-and-demand economics through a Byzantine system of third-party payer incentives and bureaucratic paperwork. It's easily one of the most inefficient programs in the country and is one of the core reasons why American's get cheated out of better healthcare for the equivalent price that other civilized nations enjoy.
Right now we incentivize a system of escalating (and useless) technology for things like MRI scans, funding the latest and greatest technology that's often overkill and unnecessary, causing cost spirals. Meanwhile, there are no supply-and-demand incentives where, say, a company figuring out how to provide a baseline of MRI scans that would support 90% of the population's needs could be done far more cheaply and efficiently through greater production.
It's so bad, that medical resort practices in places like Thailand are becoming popular for people to do procedures at a fraction of the American costs. And none of this has to do with anything related to the Obama reforms.
90% of labor strife issues you see now in the media are over healthcare. The healthcare rates are currently rising many times faster than the general price of inflation. None of this is sustainable. And none of this has anything to do with Obama. The current system is bankrupt and cannot be left in place as-is.
Right now we incentivize a system of escalating (and useless) technology for things like MRI scans, funding the latest and greatest technology that's often overkill and unnecessary, causing cost spirals. Meanwhile, there are no supply-and-demand incentives where, say, a company figuring out how to provide a baseline of MRI scans that would support 90% of the population's needs could be done far more cheaply and efficiently through greater production.
It's so bad, that medical resort practices in places like Thailand are becoming popular for people to do procedures at a fraction of the American costs. And none of this has to do with anything related to the Obama reforms.
90% of labor strife issues you see now in the media are over healthcare. The healthcare rates are currently rising many times faster than the general price of inflation. None of this is sustainable. And none of this has anything to do with Obama. The current system is bankrupt and cannot be left in place as-is.