Global Financial Crisis (4 Viewers)

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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Wellness is a human right. Healthcare is something you pay for.
Article 35 Everyone has the right of access to preventive health care and the right to benefit from medical treatment under the conditions established by national laws and practices. A high level of human health protection shall be ensured in the definition and implementation of all Union policies and activities.

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Enron

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Article 35 Everyone has the right of access to preventive health care and the right to benefit from medical treatment under the conditions established by national laws and practices. A high level of human health protection shall be ensured in the definition and implementation of all Union policies and activities.

:)
That sounds made up. Some Marxist bullshit combined with mutli-cultural globalism.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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global crisis boiled down to the bare tax.

It's become much easier for the average person in this world, not to work and do something productive. Get onto some government program and be a sheep for the rest of their existence, than actually struggle fight, maybe fail a few times and have to earn a living.
Ben Franklin said it best " I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
 

Enron

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were more alike then you think my friend.

abolish the IRS, the Department of education, get rid of the tax code and levy a flat tax of about 22% , we would get rid of so much bureaucratic bloat and elevate all loopholes this way
If there wasn't an IRS I doubt I'd pay taxes. More duckets to toss to chickens at the hen club.

I definitely hear you on the getting rid of Dept of Ed bro. Too many kids these days just throwing away a free lunch only to further drain the system with adding to an ever growing pile of student loans. But at least you can trade 'em AAA.;)

If you can't afford education then work harder or learn a trade. We might still have industry in this country. That's what I always say.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
bro they get taxed at a much higher rate as the middle class
It's ~33% at the first ~400k for a married couple IIRC Then 35% over that ammount. The Social tax cut off point is ~100k? You have to analyse their cumulative contributions.

The riches money is in fixed assets not direct wage income, to which the capital gains rate applies in most cases, a Tax and an Income Tax can have the same effect but be completely different, A wealth tax if you will.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,431
If there wasn't an IRS I doubt I'd pay taxes. More duckets to toss to chickens at the hen club.

I definitely hear you on the getting rid of Dept of Ed bro. Too many kids these days just throwing away a free lunch only to further drain the system with adding to an ever growing pile of student loans. But at least you can trade 'em AAA.;)

If you can't afford education then work harder or learn a trade. We might still have industry in this country. That's what I always say.
I agree with everything you said except this. once the IRS is abolished if their is a flat tax nationally on everything you purchase you would have to pay it, you couldn't avoid it and therefore everyone would pay according to what they can afford. Also there would be more wealth because if you earn 50K thats what you would take home not 38 after our current tax structure rapes you. So for instance now you earn 50K after taxes etc you take home 38K then atop that you pay sales tax and a few other state taxes, bang you really have about 30 to pay your bills. With a flat tax you pay at purchase of anything and out of the % the state takes some and the feds get the rest, but your take home pay and spending power is that 50 K now not the 38K a 12 k swing which will in turn become 12K spent on average
 

Enron

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global crisis boiled down to the bare tax.

It's become much easier for the average person in this world, not to work and do something productive. Get onto some government program and be a sheep for the rest of their existence, than actually struggle fight, maybe fail a few times and have to earn a living.
Ben Franklin said it best " I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
Good quote. But I don't know how much Ben Franklin really knew about being poor.

In contrast a better argument could be made by examining the standards of living or the movement throughout classes of people in different nations with different levels of social programs. Probably a bit more convincing than drawing from the words of a man that grew up during a time when people were a commodity and savages lined the frontier.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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So are all the proponents of Obama's healthcare bill happy their healthcare costs continue to rise? It was completely obvious it would happen if you understood economics. Everything in life revolves around economics.

If you want a socialist healthcare system instead of the current fascist one, how exactly is the government supposed to afford it? Raise taxes on everyone? Go deeper into debt?

There's no free lunch in economics, and that's what people don't want to accept.
 

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I agree with everything you said except this. once the IRS is abolished if their is a flat tax nationally on everything you purchase you would have to pay it, you couldn't avoid it and therefore everyone would pay according to what they can afford. Also there would be more wealth because if you earn 50K thats what you would take home not 38 after our current tax structure rapes you. So for instance now you earn 50K after taxes etc you take home 38K then atop that you pay sales tax and a few other state taxes, bang you really have about 30 to pay your bills. With a flat tax you pay at purchase of anything and out of the % the state takes some and the feds get the rest, but your take home pay and spending power is that 50 K now not the 38K a 12 k swing which will in turn become 12K spent on average
So the 22% tax is a sales tax and in you scenario there would be no other additional taxes? For example, no income tax, no capital gains tax, social security, medicare, etc? Instead I would just buy a candy bar and pay a dollar plus 22%.

Sounds like a deal.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Could just stop paying out the mandatory spending. Social security, medicare, salaries. Pay interest until we get enough revenue to make a dent, then ten years later... debt free.
Entitlements will need to be addressed in one way or another. It's just the way it is.

I don't want to start an age war, but the fact that all these older conservatives hate our generation for being lazy and useless it completely absurd. They're the ones who raised us, they're the ones who brought the country towards the brink of extinction, they're the imbeciles who didn't have a problem with anything as long as an asset bubble was in place to cushion their spending. Well, sorry, fucktards, but maybe death panels aren't such a bad idea after all...
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,995
So the 22% tax is a sales tax and in you scenario there would be no other additional taxes? For example, no income tax, no capital gains tax, social security, medicare, etc? Instead I would just buy a candy bar and pay a dollar plus 22%.

Sounds like a deal.
Capital gains taxes are bullshit when you place your own capital at risk and the government sponsors a non-free market anyway.
 

Enron

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So are all the proponents of Obama's healthcare bill happy their healthcare costs continue to rise? It was completely obvious it would happen if you understood economics. Everything in life revolves around economics.

If you want a socialist healthcare system instead of the current fascist one, how exactly is the government supposed to afford it? Raise taxes on everyone? Go deeper into debt?

There's no free lunch in economics, and that's what people don't want to accept.
Free lunch doesn't exist, period. Lunch is like $10 dollars these days at the bar minimum.
 

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